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gamuhar:

Silly? Oh, come on!

If, if, if. You could try it out and know for a fact. I'm asking you as a customer, ok? But, all I really need to say is: "I think you are wrong, sorry"... and argument goes on and we still don't know anything for sure, which is more silly?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes, 720 Degrees encoder is relative like spinners, trackballs and mice.

molton:


--- Quote from: gamuhar on June 03, 2012, 05:29:24 am ---... I'm asking you as a customer, ok? But, all I really need to say is: "I think you are wrong, sorry"... and argument goes on and we still don't know anything for sure, which is more silly?...

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What is this?  Are you threatening RandyT to give you free stuff or you'll act like you know what you are talking about?  :laugh2:

I for one love groovy game gear stuff and want Randy to stay in business and don't appreciate this kind of silliness either, if he listened to your demands he'd have to give free ---shoe--- to every idiot on the internet.

I've experienced weirdness with the TT2's in mame with the sensitivity on 100% too, but I was never not able to correct the problem by lowering the sensitivity.  the TT2 has at least double the resolution of any spinner emulated in mame anyway, so expect weirdness if everything is set to 100%  I definitely have new ones and have only been playing around with them for a little, I don't mess with that 720 game though, my computer/mame acts really strange with that specific game.

gamuhar:

RandyT,

I took old Apple iMac's ball mouse, you know those transparent ones with only one button...



I used fresh install of MAME 0.134 and "spinner" is actually default "driver" settings, so all I had to do is set sensitivity to 85% (by trial end error) and it worked... worked well enough for me to now be quite certain your spinners could do it well enough to actually play the game seriously.

How well it worked? With 85% sensitivity I could turn it more than 20 full circles, but slowly. If I turned fast it would come shorter and shorter every two or three turns. If I set sensitivity to 86% it would work better with faster speeds, but not as good as with slow. You also have to take into account my poor setup. Every time I turn the wheel (my finger is from down below where the ball goes) it all gets shaken, more so the faster I try to spin, so I believe these results really do mean your spinners ought to do much better.

In any case I forgot to mention 'turning speed' before, it's without a doubt very important factor in this whole story, not only due to more stress on equipment, but also due to such limitations as is polling rate of Operating System, size/number of notches in encoder discs, and poling rate of the game itself. At some point every spinner type device will have some maximum turn rate of their encoder disc relative to Operating System and each specific game, so the test and calibration should be performed on each game separately and with some "normal maximum" speed you would use in the game, not maximum possible speed you could turn your particular spinner.


I really want to buy couple of spinners, some big and wide ones. What do you think about this modification and could you make something like that for me on one of the spinners, for free? It only needs to be good enough so it doesn't fall apart as easy as if I made it with a screw, and you can probably come up with something even better:




gamuhar:


--- Quote from: molton on June 03, 2012, 07:48:16 am ---
--- Quote from: gamuhar on June 03, 2012, 05:29:24 am ---... I'm asking you as a customer, ok? But, all I really need to say is: "I think you are wrong, sorry"... and argument goes on and we still don't know anything for sure, which is more silly?...

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What is this?  Are you threatening RandyT to give you free stuff or you'll act like you know what you are talking about?  :laugh2:

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Hahaha! That is indeed funny, touché!


--- Quote ---I for one love groovy game gear stuff and want Randy to stay in business and don't appreciate this kind of silliness either, if he listened to your demands he'd have to give free ---shoe--- to every idiot on the internet.

I've experienced weirdness with the TT2's in mame with the sensitivity on 100% too, but I was never not able to correct the problem by lowering the sensitivity.  the TT2 has at least double the resolution of any spinner emulated in mame anyway, so expect weirdness if everything is set to 100%

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I'm not so bad, once you get to know me. Why are you taking offense anyway? He knows I'm only being cheeky, I don't think he took any offense himself, he just got all "grown up" on me probably because he's too busy lately. In any case, I love anyone who relates himself with an imagery of a wizard, especially if they make joysticks and spinners for a living. How cool is that?!

tony.silveira:

RandyT, as always, a hot bed of information!

you mentioned spinners dated 3/09 wouldn't show this behavious.  anything that can be done to "fix" pre 09 spinners?  soem kind of bios flash for the board is it physical?

i'll give tempest a go tonight with it set at 6.

i do love me some groovygamegear!

here's a thought, let's start a list of spinner games with the optimal settings for a TT2.  I'll start us off:

tempest - 6 (ok, i cheated...)

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