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Happ Optical rotary joysticks
mytymaus007:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on June 05, 2012, 11:38:17 am ---
--- Quote ---Yes, it's interesting bonus you can do with optical spinners. Did you know about it before?
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Its not really all that interesting. Its very basic stuff really. Ive Managed arcades, so Im very familiar with arcade hardware: Optics, Pots, gearing / mechanical, and electrical... As well as PC interfaces. Ive pretty much seen it all, played it all, and fixed it all.
--- Quote ---Facts change the moment you plug your controller into USB adapter instead of actual PCB
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Im not saying I couldnt be mistaken... but USB2 is 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s), and I have a feeling that even an Arkanoid spinner wont even come close to missing a beat at that rate of data transfer.
--- Quote ---What rotaries you have, mechanical? You need to try Happ optical rotary if you want to have opinion about it, until then all you have are just your assumption. Even if you are right that's a lot of assumptions, it's unnecessary. Much more fun is actually trying out stuff, plus you get to know the facts.
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I have both Optical Rotaries, and LS-30 click stop rotaries, Starwars yoke, Analog and digital trigger sticks, Wico Leaf sticks, Happs comps, 360 degree arcade steering wheels, 270 deg. arcade wheels, arcade analog pedal sets, Race Drivin 5 way balltop shifters, micro and leaf buttons, Discs of Tron spinner, Sinistar optical 49 way, and countless other controllers.
(in addition to a few real arcade & pinball machines)
Im very aware and experienced in the Arcade Controls department. Ive even built my own arcade controllers from scratch.
You should never Assume anything.
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Nice im glad someone has experience with these damm Optical Rotaries What i was looking for is how are for the original mechanical rotary gmes Can you use the optical as you would the mechanical sticks. The reason i want to know is i already have the mechanical rotaries and they hurt my hand so i dont even bother playing those games im assuming if the Optical Rotaries spin smoother then click click mechanical stick that would be wonderful. i guess I didnt state that when i started this thread!!!
Xiaou2:
As Ive said, the opticals will work. However, you may end up spending more time trying to adjust your character to face the correct direction than you really want. This means you will have slower reaction times, much worse accuracy, and get killed a lot more often.
The opticals are easy to turn, so there is little fatigue.
However, the Octagonal top on the mechanicals, does make it better for turning, than the standard happs bat top. I cant imagine why happs chose to use the bat top on a mechanical rotary. You dont have any leverage to turn with a bat top.
Gray_Area:
An here I thought I'd solved things.
gamuhar:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on June 05, 2012, 11:38:17 am --- Im not saying I couldnt be mistaken... but USB2 is 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s), and I have a feeling that even an Arkanoid spinner wont even come close to missing a beat at that rate of data transfer.
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You have a bad habit of pulling a single sentence from a paragraph and misinterpreting it out of the context. I was not referring to USB but only as an entry point to a PC/MAME, and to my previous sentence you omitted where I said: "Refresh rate determines how often a game can pull input updates from MAME, so usually 60Hz."
--- Quote --- I have both Optical Rotaries, and...
You should never Assume anything.
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I know your story, we are talking only about optical rotary here and if you indeed have it you obviously never used it for anything.
I don't have to assume, you made it quite clear with your statements you have no real experience with actually using this joystick.
--- Quote ---As Ive said, the opticals will work. However, you may end up spending more time trying to adjust your character to face the correct direction than you really want. This means you will have slower reaction times, much worse accuracy, and get killed a lot more often.
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You never tried any of it, you would not know. And it shows.
720 Degrees is the only game where you need to adjust your character to face a certain direction.
You do not need to adjust anything in order to play mechanical rotary games with optical rotary joystick. Rotation ratio does not have to be 1:1, as I said several times. Rotation ration you adjust according to your particular handle and your personal preferences, but since the precision of mechanical rotary games is 30 degrees that leaves so much room that any settings would do just fine without compromising precision at all.
We already cleared up optical rotary has the same speed and precision as mechanical rotary for rotary games, its actual precision is twice that of mechanical rotary, at least. There is nothing standing in a way of "reaction time" nor 30 degrees precision. Stop puking over this joystick if you can not take 5 minutes to actually try it out, it's ridiculous.
Xiaou2:
Your not even worth my time. You dont even understand the BASICS of mechanics, let alone anything else.
You dont have to have 1 to 1 accuracy with the dial, but... when you turn the dial, you are not going to immediately fact the exact direction you want to face. This delay, could mean an easy loss of life. The snap-lock will face the character immediately in the proper angle, with No delay, no fumbling, and no chance of Accidentally passing the angle you want.
Furthermore, when your trying to dodge bullets like mad... with an unrestricted optical, you might accidentally move your fire direction.. when you really dont intend to.. which could again spell your death. A snap-locked controller will stay put, no matter what kind of movement you make with the stick.. and you can count on your fire always being in the correct angle, able to hit the bay guys with ease, Instantly.
Optical Rotaries have their purpose. There are games which do use them, and no click-lock...nor any other controller could match their functionality. Which is why I OWN two of them.