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BadMouth:


--- Quote from: Impact93 on April 24, 2012, 09:06:42 pm ---Yea, but this machine won't be touched by teens who don't respect it.

Nobody has been able to give me an answer on FFB strength on the modern race wheels as compared to HAPP.

Anyone know?  Must be comparable at least.

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You are comparing a motor that's the size of a "D" battery powered by a 1 amp wall wart (in the case of the G27, it has dual motors)
to a big heavy duty motor connected to a 6 amp supply.
Sorry, it's not going to be comparable.

....Unless you spend a few grand on an ecci wheel. (which comes with a motor that looks a lot like the happ one)
http://www.ecci7000.com/

Not comparable doesn't = not enjoyable.
I've been using a little old Logitech MOMO wheel in my cab since it was built and I love the thing.
The ffb, although not as strong, feels more precise than the happ hack.
The main reason I started tinkering with the happ hack is that my guests treat the little plastic MOMO wheel like a real steering wheel, lifting themselves out of the cab with it and trying to turn it past its limits.  :angry:



Brian74:

I have Daytona Usa 2 :notworthy:, I also have a G-25 :applaud:. The wheel on my daytona 2 is set at 80%. It will just about snap your wrists. Do I need it that high, probably not. When the kids play I turn it down. The ffb on the G-25 is pretty good. If I turn it up, it too will spin out of my hand. I am still trying to decided if Im going to mame my cab. The idea of playing more then one game is pushing me to do it. I have seen a guy mount his wheel behind the stock dash. There was another guy that used a couple of these http://compare.ebay.com/like/190559005951?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar to extend his column. I then could mount the rest of the steering assembly farther inside the cab. I will use the G-25 peddles, reverse and  hang them like gbeef did. Now the shifter is another story. I would like to mod the the G-25 shifter to fit in the stock mount on my cab. I would hack the rest of the buttons to the vr buttons and undermount the rest under the wheel.

Impact93:

Jeez Gbeef.

That's one hell of a cab you built.

Kudos man. 

I have a SF.Rush cab. I'm trying to think of what kind of side art to put on it.

Where do you guys all buy / customize your side art?

Also, I've been posting this topIc on a few different forums and someone posted the hook ups that I'll need to keep my CRT in my cab.  I know I can go LCD but this CRT is big and still in awesome condition.

RamjetR:

I have a G25 on my triple screen/fps rig and G27's in my 2 x Touring Car DX cabinets and 1 x Indy 500 DX cabinet. More than happy with the FFB.

FFB from my perception is dependent on the particular games support for it. Some PC games do a better job than others. There is no magic setting for every games sweet spot. That said, you'll find a setting close to default which will be near enough and you won't notice it once your in a game and inserted that first coin.

MAME/M2/M3 have some tweaking to enable it, but by large I've been to involved with the game to worry about the strength of FFB.

Only problems I've had with my G's are the loss of centering occasionally when the wheel is moved extremely fast (400kph in a Bugatti into a tunnel with oncoming traffic can make you do that! Gotta love NFS Hot Pursuit!). It doesn't do it every time, but it's a well documented issue with the Logitech "G2X" wheels, to which a DIY fix is to reglue the rotation sensor to stop it occasionally slipping on the motor shaft when it gets warmed up.

That ECCI looks amazing! Gawd, I wish I could justify spending the cash on one of those. But my racing fetish is still rather casual to lay down that kind of money.

Budget is your only limit my friend. :)

Impact93:

Ok, so the build summary looks like this

-Keeping SFS: Rush cab in tact

-Keeping the Rush gas,break and clutch pedal in place, Changing the pots once i get whatever wheel and pedal set up i get. I want to get a Fanatec Wheel so that i can play all 3 major video game systems but i MIGHT have to imploy a stop gap measure to get this show on the road and allow myself to save up some funds.  Birthday is in June so maybe then i can convince the wife that i need a $400 wheel set up.

-Keeping the monitor.  Yes LCD will look better on realistic games but i really only play arcade racers such as Hydro Thunder, Rush, Daytona
The monitor is a NT-27E 50-60Hz Medium resolution monitor  so it should handle itself pretty well anyway.


Questions that i still have

-1- How can i hook up that NT-27E to an Xbox360?  I don't know what product i need to hook them up NOR do i know the process of hooking it up once i have said product.... This makes doing a google search a bit frustrating.  I have found some forum comments and topics on this subject but have yet to find anyone with a concrete answer.

I appreciate the whole LCD argument but being as i want to keep the RUSH cabinet in its general structural condition, including screen size, that pretty much leaves me with using the current tube that is in it or buying a CRT that is 27 inches and re,fitting it into the cab.  Shouldnt the medium res tube that is currently in it do a better job? Or would i be wiser to find some kinda 27 inch modern CRT?


-2- Keeping the original rush pedals is just a matter of changing the pots right?  and thats a fairly simple process from what i can see.  I see no reason to try and mount any other pedals as the rush pedals seem to have good pressure and placement... though the clutch is impossible to use as far as how the seat is set up.  well... maybe if you were 6 foot and thin as a rake you could use the clutch properly.  My solution.. I'm considering hacking out the coin box, it wont be used and it would allow for quite a bit more leg room.


-3-Deciding on a steering wheel.  I'm highly considering starting with a regular xbox360 wheel.  Yes yes, this is isnt a good choice for the long run but it WOULD allow me to rough out my wood work as far as mounting a race wheel goes. It would also allow me to play xbox360 games with force feedback and with a PC connector, allow me to play PC games without force feedback, but at LEAST i would be able to get things set up and roughed out.

The other option is the Thrustmaster Italia but that has NO force feedback built in for anything, the only strong point is that i can buy one NEW in the box. If i get a microsoft wheel it will be used. 

In either case, i plan on running wires from the RUSH's original button layout and jumping them to some of the buttons on the xbox wheel. The rush cab has 6 buttons and a 4 speed shifter that can be sucessfuly converted to a D pad.

the ideal situation is the Fanatec Forza wheel with the six speed shifter...but that will probably have to wait.


-4- Side art, T molding and other assorted visual touches.   Where would i go to get NEW side art for this arcade cab?  I'm keeping the structure the same so the measurements for a SFS-Rush cabinet i'm sure is readily available online.  Is there a place that i can go or someone i can talk to if i want custom art work?

best place to get T molding?  I know if i search T mold i will find tons of stuff but anyone have a GO TO place?

button art? the current rush cabinet has buttons that say *Abort *View 1 *View2 *View3  i'd like to change that.



Thanks for reading and all the ideas and help guys.

-Jon










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