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Grasshopper:
--- Quote from: Green Giant on April 17, 2012, 10:20:38 am ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on April 16, 2012, 02:32:24 pm ---Tethering is a really bad idea, as is rooting your phone when still in contract.
The Windows 7 phones are getting better, and soon to eat into the android market.
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Why is rooting bad? It is freaking sweet. I rooted my phone.
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I couldn't agree more. In fact, I simply will not buy phones, and other similar devices, that can't easily be rooted. I don't think anybody in their right mind would buy a PC with Windows pre-installed, and administrator access rights disabled. So why should it be any different with a phone?
What really irritates me about manufacturers attempting to lock down their devices it that they pretend it's to protect customers, when in reality, it's done mostly for self-serving reasons.
Grasshopper:
--- Quote from: kahlid74 on April 18, 2012, 08:51:38 am ---
--- Quote from: Green Giant on April 17, 2012, 06:38:41 pm ---
--- Quote ---The only thing I'll say is don't assume this.
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I know for a fact that they can only check for a rooted phone if you physically bring them your rooted phone. You can't even check for traces of a phone that has been unrooted.
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I'm not going to go super deep into this because it's not my specialty but I've built out enough data centers to be familiar with the technology and capable of utilizing it to understand traffic flows and identify malicious/unwanted activity. You don't check for a phone that's been rooted, you check for the presence of computer browsing or of browsing on a level that is higher than what you would expect from a phone. It would be the idea of heuristics and behavioral engineering. One of the ways this can be done is using DPI to examine who/what is reading the packets. Browser/OS information is easy to extract from packets even if you're using SSL.
I've been inside of many data center including Verizon and AT&T. They both have several iterations of DPI not including the NSA dark rooms. If Verizon wants to crack down on tethering they can do so. The idea that they can't because they currently don't is security theater.
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Hmm. Maybe, but I think the risk of getting caught is very low. For a start, what about plausible deniability? They may strongly suspect that you've rooted your phone or done something else not permitted in their T&Cs, but that's not the same as being able to prove it. Even if they can prove it they probably don't want to reveal to their customers the snooping technology they have at their disposal.
IANAL, but I'd imagine that a company can't just get away with unilaterally changing the terms of a contract they have with a customer, unless they have very clear cut evidence that the customer has breached the terms & conditions of the contract. That sort of behaviour sounds like a class action just waiting to happen.
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Grasshopper on April 20, 2012, 11:57:11 am ---
--- Quote from: Green Giant on April 17, 2012, 10:20:38 am ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on April 16, 2012, 02:32:24 pm ---Tethering is a really bad idea, as is rooting your phone when still in contract.
The Windows 7 phones are getting better, and soon to eat into the android market.
--- End quote ---
Why is rooting bad? It is freaking sweet. I rooted my phone.
--- End quote ---
I couldn't agree more. In fact, I simply will not buy phones, and other similar devices, that can't easily be rooted. I don't think anybody in their right mind would buy a PC with Windows pre-installed, and administrator access rights disabled. So why should it be any different with a phone?
What really irritates me about manufacturers attempting to lock down their devices it that they pretend it's to protect customers, when in reality, it's done mostly for self-serving reasons.
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True, nobody would buy a PC that was pre-installed with something you cannot afford to get rid of.....MAC OSX ::)
Besides the PC you mentioned doesn't come with a live network. A live network that can be misused with applications you install in the course of the life of the PC that takes interest in your unsecured network. Yes it does sound like a Windows, doesn't it? :laugh2:
I agree with your comment just the same. :cheers:
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