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fallacy:
Can’t believe there has not been any Robocop vs. Terminator. That was just as big 90's as Align vs. Predictor and look how many movies they mad of that.

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: Bootay on March 30, 2012, 04:04:18 pm ---HC: Maybe where you're from. Where I'm from people call Glam  "Cock Rock" or "Butt Rock" and they've been calling it that way before X-Play was around. First time I heard it was about 2000 or 2001. I don't call it either terms though because I don't believe in insulting other people's musical tastes. I do not like anything considered Glam aside from a few bands but..whatever.

As for your definition of Butt Rock would it just be any band with Cookie Monster vocals or does the music have to sound like trash too? There are some bands that sound real good if they get a new singer. Would that still be butt rock?

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Butt Rock just refers to a talentless band that uses gimmicks to cover up the fact.  So it's on a case by case basis.  It can be either/or or both.  Also if the band is good, it isn't butt rock even if they do use such gimmicks.  Motorhead and Metallica come to mind.... they've both relied heavily on garbled vocals and extreme distortion on certain albums, but the fact that they can actually play and sing negates any negative labels. 

Btw, cock rock is essentially the same thing, but it uses totally different gimmicks to cover up a crappy band.  Gimmicks like having a really skeevy vocalist that wears tight spandex pants, over used smoek machines, teased hair, laser shows, gymnastics, ect...

I think there is a breakdown in communication on this one and we are all agreeing on the same thing.  The problem is people think that Glam Rock is both a musical style and a style of dress.  It isn't, it's a musical style.    Twisted Sister wore spandex pants, had teasted hair and such, but it isn't glam rock.  Practially EVERY band in the 80's had the glam rock look... but not the glam rock musical style.  Many of these glam rock bands mentioned thus far, I would consider either really crappy soft rock, or really crappy metal. 

Just for arguments sake:

I never said that was the first use of the word by any means, I said that was the first time the word had been "brought to mainstream" in other words used on a national broadcast.  I am by no means saying it is the only definition, but rather it is the best one.  Afterall, the term makes sense when I explain it, but when you guys do you are left thinking "where does the butt part come in?"

Not worth arguing about though... back to Robocop


fallacy:

Be thankful that there hasn't been.  Those AvP films were TERRIBLE.  They took those mega villains and reduced them to glorified slasher villians.  Seriously go back and watch those and you'll realize that they play more like a syfy channel slasher flick than the two franchises that they are supposed to represent.

If I remember right there was a script going around several years ago, but at the time it just wasn't going to happen.  They waited too many years and now Arnold and Weller are just too old to do it. 

RvT  never meshed with me story-wise anyway.  Robocop's distopian future was just too divergant from Terminators for you to be able to shoe-horn them together via some conveniant plot devices.  Also as cool as robo is he's fairly fragile and is slower than dirt.  A terminator is virtually indestructable via conventional weapons and as agile as a person.... I can't really suspend my disbelief enough to think that robo could go 10 seconds with a terminator, much less a whole world of terminators.

shmokes:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 31, 2012, 06:12:13 am ---
I never said that was the first use of the word by any means, I said that was the first time the word had been "brought to mainstream" in other words used on a national broadcast.  I am by no means saying it is the only definition, but rather it is the best one.  Afterall, the term makes sense when I explain it, but when you guys do you are left thinking "where does the butt part come in?"


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Lol . . . your definition doesn't make any kind of literal sense. Nobody would listen to anything you characterize as butt rock and actually think that it sounded like sound coming from a person's butt. That's absurd. Anyway, what's next. Are you going to say that Heavy Metal refers to the Blue Man Group because they actually make their music by banging heavy objects (often made of metal) together? You may say that Urban Dictionary is useless, but I say there are a half dozen definitions on there with hundreds of votes and not one of them comports with yours. It's no OED, but it's better evidence by far than what you're providing. Also, you have no way of knowing that the term had never been used in national broadcast prior to when you saw it on X-play. You're just making ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- up. Otherwise, can you explain how you know this?

By the way, I've read court of appeals opinions in which the judge relied on urban dictionary as a source. There are, afterall, real words and terms (butt rock, for example) that can't be found in a traditional dictionary.

TOK:
New addition for Urban Dictionary:

Butt Thread: Any message shmokes or Howard Casto reply to.  :lol

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 31, 2012, 06:12:13 am ---Not worth arguing about though... back to Robocop

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(HowardC suggests shmokes switches to decaf)

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