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jimmy2x2x:
Why are you all so fixed on an elite panel who will make a lot of the decisions, what is the issue with public voting?
Is this about giving awards or creating a gentlemans club?
Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: shmokes on February 22, 2012, 03:08:52 am ---Remember when I said:
But then . . . I guess what I'm getting from your most recent post, which I did read, is that this whole thing is just not gonna be any fun. Maybe that's not fair since I didn't read the whole thread.
By the way, reviewing as many as possible is still a select group. Anything less than "all" is, by definition a select group. That's sort of the point of the nominating process. It narrows down the "all" to something manageable. And then, how does it not become a popularity contest? Can you imagine how many people would refuse to vote for a masterpiece I built on principle? ;D I have full-on enemies here. One guy said once that he was giving up the whole hobby because of me. Which doesn't even make sense because I wasn't even mean to him, but whatever. I know you can relate because of how many people have publicly expressed similar feelings for you.
So, it's gonna be flawed no matter what. Trying to create some system that will actually scientifically identify the best cab, with objectivity pure as the driven snow, is laughable. If you're gonna do it, make it manageable and make it fun. Those are by far the two most important factors (since the other factors are totally illusory anyway).
And if manageable and fun are what you're going for, the Academy Awards actually offer a fairly good template to go by.
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Shmokes, there are some really great questions in there. I have my own opinion on how to keep it fun, keep it manageable, and rein in the user popularity test but the best way to flesh out a community solution is to execute this on a trial basis and then see where we are. Anything less than that and I fear we'll dissolve into bickering and end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
To address your concerns user to user I am for a popular vote for yearly judges: This may keep some of our users with "full-on enemies" out of the judges circle but the benefit to the project outweighs the consequence of lost experience just because so-n-so is a prickly character that gets in peoples' jell-o too much... or may not. Again, it's a popular vote, this thread has hundreds of views and like 30 votes so it's not going to be perfect.
Category winner selection - Users recommend projects for each category. Panel ensures nothing was left out that they think should be included and does a write-up on the X (3?) that they choose (2/3 of which need to be nominated). Those write-ups go up for a popular vote and the community decides the winner.
Maybe a clear front runner goes in but after the write-ups the underdog gets a more favorable look and comes out ahead? Maybe the write-up doesn't change the vote at all but at least provides some good analysis.
Or even simpler, the nominations is the voting, once it's closed the one with the most nom wins, but the panel still analyses their three pics for a "closer look" a this year's nominees.
When I say good analysis I don't know what that looks like yet. I'm hoping it's fun, I'm hoping it is pointed but a bit tongue in cheek, I'm hoping that people would enjoy reading it. That's why I'm putting mine up for a go so we can iron that out.
I am extremely concerned with the "gentleman's club" but want to have a standard form and consistent analysis of the projects as well. It's a tough line to walk but I'm on that line so hopefully I can get something that Jimmy likes and will read and something that Howard likes and will read even though they have almost didactic points of view.
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: jimmy2x2x on February 22, 2012, 04:38:37 am ---Why are you all so fixed on an elite panel who will make a lot of the decisions, what is the issue with public voting?
Is this about giving awards or creating a gentlemans club?
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Nah, man there's no elite panel to it. We just need a group of guys that actually know what they are doing to go over the nominees. I don't think it's possible to make a really good awards system with just a popular vote.
Well Fed Games:
I am still confused by all this bureaucracy talk. Is there any doubt what projects have raised the bar and which ones have not? I'm quite proud of the work I did on my cab but have no interest in a critique of it beyond the advice and suggestions I received in the project thread. Based on my successes and failures, I will give advice and suggestions in other people's project threads. It is the great MAME circle of life.
By all means, maybe we should start a trend of people posting their favorite builds, or encourage builders to do better postmortems on their cabinets (video please) talking about what they would and wouldn't do again. But it seems like negativity keeps creeping into this award idea, and it has become too messy. If you think something is cool, just say so. Start a thread. But talk of judges and stuff... no thanks.
Le Chuck:
We could always split it up. Run a popular vote by category. Put out simple instructions, let folks nominate, after a week or two close the nominations and open a voting pole for each category. Awards and accolades presented as necessary.
Not a lot of bureaucracy, low impact, fun, a year end review child board on the project announce thread. Easy peasy.
An unaffiliated panel made up by whoever decides they want to be on that panel can get together and discuss the merits of cabs and projects as they see fit. Really get academic and post their findings as necessary. The panel doesn't do any awards - only analysis for the good of those who suffer through reading it. ;D The only stipulation is that the builder has to consent to the scrutiny, otherwise the project continue to exist in a sublime state of nature within the great MAME circle of life.
Sometimes the best solution is two solutions. Comments and criticism are welcome and I'll still put my cab up for the scrutiny experiment.
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