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shmokes:
Plus, who cares? It's not a science. There are always movies that get robbed at the Oscars. If it's done that way, and there are nominees, lots of people will pick one or another but only one will win and everyone who picked another will think it was a bad decision. It's the way the world works. And then everyone moves on and does it again next year.
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: Vigo on February 22, 2012, 01:01:30 am ---Not really, we all have a good notion about the standards of a home arcade cabinet. Saying "this cabinet is the best example of XXX for the year because of reasons a, b, c, d and e" won't be subjective because we all know that A-E are things above and beyond what you would find on the normal project.
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You are making two very bad assumptions there. Firstly that everybody knows the standards of a good home cabinet. This just isn't true. If they did, then we wouldn't have so many unplayable monstrosities floating around out there. It's our job to teach them. Secondly that what you just described isn't judging. When you use the "a, b, c, d, e " example, guess what? You've just added an itemized checklist of good points to the cab... this is more or less the 20 point system I originally suggested. ;)
shmokes:
I haven't read any of this thread, so maybe this is all covered. But why not have it work just like the academy awards. Not everyone who watches or even makes movies is a member of the academy. Why not have Saint grant membership, and members vote. They don't have to vote on some specific criteria unless of course it's for a specific award (like judging Best Control Panel shouldn't take sideart into consideration).
Votes are tallied. Tim Schafer and a couple musical acts are hired for the awards ceremony. And that's that.
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: shmokes on February 22, 2012, 01:44:14 am ---Plus, who cares? It's not a science. There are always movies that get robbed at the Oscars. If it's done that way, and there are nominees, lots of people will pick one or another but only one will win and everyone who picked another will think it was a bad decision. It's the way the world works. And then everyone moves on and does it again next year.
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Actually..... the reason that the Oscars almost always get it wrong (and rest assured, history has shown that they almost always get things wrong) is because their voting system is horribly flawed. They do things like only voting on a select group of films (remember when I said we should reivew as many as possible?) by having an proportional nomination system and using a simple "yes no" vote aka a popularity contest instead of reviewing the films as a panel (remember when I said we should avoid it being a popularity contest?)
So yeah, I actually have put a lot of thought in the correct way to handle something like this. The Academy Awards was my goto example of how NOT to proceed. ;)
shmokes:
Remember when I said:
--- Quote from: shmokes on February 22, 2012, 02:09:40 am ---I haven't read any of this thread
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So no, LOL, I don't remember you saying any of those things.
But then . . . I guess what I'm getting from your most recent post, which I did read, is that this whole thing is just not gonna be any fun. Maybe that's not fair since I didn't read the whole thread.
By the way, reviewing as many as possible is still a select group. Anything less than "all" is, by definition a select group. That's sort of the point of the nominating process. It narrows down the "all" to something manageable. And then, how does it not become a popularity contest? Can you imagine how many people would refuse to vote for a masterpiece I built on principle? ;D I have full-on enemies here. One guy said once that he was giving up the whole hobby because of me. Which doesn't even make sense because I wasn't even mean to him, but whatever. I know you can relate because of how many people have publicly expressed similar feelings for you.
So, it's gonna be flawed no matter what. Trying to create some system that will actually scientifically identify the best cab, with objectivity pure as the driven snow, is laughable. If you're gonna do it, make it manageable and make it fun. Those are by far the two most important factors (since the other factors are totally illusory anyway).
And if manageable and fun are what you're going for, the Academy Awards actually offer a fairly good template to go by.
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