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Malenko:
I don't think Superman could rescue you guys, sounds like you never leave your houses.

Rando:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 21, 2012, 01:45:29 pm ---It may work for Rando, because he was about to die and then he didn't die and that's probably enough for him.
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Probaby?

Some days yes, some days... Meh.  :laugh:

Mikezilla:

--- Quote from: Vigo on February 21, 2012, 01:16:44 pm ---People here can discern fact from fiction...  ::)

People don't always want to read stories about someones life being in peril...that isn't the defining element that makes a story good. When reading a comic, do you really believe that Batman's life is in danger each issue? Spiderman? Wolverine? Really? You don't enjoy superman because you worry for his life, you let yourself get caught up in a story of good versus evil. Just as it was no surprise Luke blew up the death star.

Superman represents the best in us, and in our heroic imaginations what we would love to be for the world. Superman is modern mythology. People enjoy seeing how villains mastermind a way to take down the top dog. They love to see Superman's own nature used against him. They enjoy seeing a "clash of the titans" for the fate of the world. This isn't really much different from the stories told by the Greeks.

I think it boils down that you just don't get that elemental story-lore, the symbolic nature, the larger than life unrealism that hits us somewhere on an emotional level. I think that is why you can't get past Captain America's name, and it is why Superman's power bothers you. Not everybody gets Picasso either, that doesn't mean his art is poor.

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 :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :cheers:

Those little guys save me from a lot of typing.  :lol

Shomkes you keep dodging me. Are you basing your opinions on the comics, or the films?

shmokes:
I'm not dodging you. I'm ignoring an obviously loaded question.

Superman is a cultural icon. He's been around longer than most of our grandparents. I'm basing my opinion of him on what I know about him, which is quite a lot thanks to how famous he is and how long he's been around. I'm basing it on comics, cartoons, movies, hearsay, books, magazines, conversations, TV shows, videogames, etc..

But no, I have not read even 1/10th of all the Superman comic books.

But before you think you've finally caught me, please realize that, "If you haven't read all the comics, you must not know what you're talking about," isn't nearly as compelling an argument as actually addressing my complaints and showing how they're wrong. Saying that I'm categorically wrong because I don't have enough education doesn't actually make what I'm saying wrong. It just gives you an excuse to not address what I'm saying.

shmokes:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 08, 2012, 08:45:31 am ---I think it will most likely suck. Joss Whedon is the only thing that gives me any hope that the movie might be okay. And his track record is a bit spotty. He created Buffy and Firefly, but he also created Dollhouse. He directed Serenity, but that's the only feature film under his belt. It's not much to go off of. There are plenty of directors out there who have one great film swimming in a see of mediocrity on their resumes. Moreover, Serenity was a small, personal, fairly inexpensive film based on his own creation. The Avengers is a $150 million tent pole film which means that Whedon is going to have producers following his every move, saying things like , "Oh . . . you can't do that," and, "Hey, we really need you to have a love-triangle in the film so this will go over well as a date movie," etc. He's going to have back seat drivers on this film that he didn't have on Serenity.

On top of all that, his work is cut out for him. When a comic book movie tries to follow too large a cast of characters, it almost always ends up giving a shallow treatment to each (because there's just not enough time) and the movie is bad.  Hell, Thor had super shallow character development when he had an hour and a half all to himself. The first two X-men movies showed that it can be done. But it usually is not done well. Even Sam Raimi, who proved that he can make an excellent comic book movie (Spidey 1 and 1) faltered when he tried to cram in more characters (Spidey 3).

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And yet . . . it looks like Avengers is gonna be great!

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