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shmokes:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 06:21:30 pm ---
You dont need to patronize me, I know that he is fiction. 

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Okay, granted, I wasn't very nice about that and I apologize. But I had already listed the things that make Superman suck as a protagonist and they are his fundamenatal qualities that transcend any writing from any particular periods of time. The things that make Superman suck are the fundamental things that make Superman Superman.

dre-w:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 12:03:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: dre-w on February 16, 2012, 11:23:22 am ---I remember reading online somewhere when the reboot was first announced that the reason for it was something about a script was thrown out, another one made, toby didn't like it/didn't want to do it, and sony had a certain amount of time to do something with spiderman or else they'd lose the rights.. So they went with a reboot


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Yeah thats partially because of it, and also the choice of villains Raimi wanted to do, the studio (mainly Avi Arad) thought the villains were stupid.
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Nah I'm pretty sure that's the main reason..  If they had a longer window I bet they would've went with a 3rd script just to keep the OG Tobey. 

I'm curious, what were the stupid villains they had chosen?  I'm sure they weren't as bad as sandman..  I mean he was cool in the comic but man they really messed him up in the 3rd..  but yeh other than that, idk call me crazy,  I kinda liked it.  And I thought it was pretty bad ass when Spiderman went all fashioncore for a minute.  Everyone hates that part except me  :lol

Mikezilla:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 16, 2012, 08:50:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 06:21:30 pm ---
You dont need to patronize me, I know that he is fiction. 

--- End quote ---

Okay, granted, I wasn't very nice about that and I apologize. But I had already listed the things that make Superman suck as a protagonist and they are his fundamenatal qualities that transcend any writing from any particular periods of time. The things that make Superman suck are the fundamental things that make Superman Superman.

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Apology accepted.  :cheers: Like I said, I get what you are saying, and typically the writers that are currently writing the stories make Superman the base of the story, but the rest of the characters make it more dynamic. Read Red Son, Kingdom Come, and Hush. Those are 3 examples of what a Superman story is, how he can be more "dymnamic", and how he can be a tool. After reading those, then maybe we will have a better conversation.  ;)


--- Quote from: dre-w on February 16, 2012, 09:28:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 12:03:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: dre-w on February 16, 2012, 11:23:22 am ---I remember reading online somewhere when the reboot was first announced that the reason for it was something about a script was thrown out, another one made, toby didn't like it/didn't want to do it, and sony had a certain amount of time to do something with spiderman or else they'd lose the rights.. So they went with a reboot


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Yeah thats partially because of it, and also the choice of villains Raimi wanted to do, the studio (mainly Avi Arad) thought the villains were stupid.
--- End quote ---

Nah I'm pretty sure that's the main reason..  If they had a longer window I bet they would've went with a 3rd script just to keep the OG Tobey. 

I'm curious, what were the stupid villains they had chosen?  I'm sure they weren't as bad as sandman..  I mean he was cool in the comic but man they really messed him up in the 3rd..  but yeh other than that, idk call me crazy,  I kinda liked it.  And I thought it was pretty bad ass when Spiderman went all fashioncore for a minute.  Everyone hates that part except me  :lol

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They were going to be the Vulture, and his daughter the Vultress (made just for the movie). The Vulture is ridiculously stupid. I dont see how a "villain" like that could be a spidey regular for over 40 years. They screwed Sandman up, yeah the effects were cool. And yes, you were the ONLY one that thought that scene was cool  :lol

Gray_Area:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 16, 2012, 03:01:02 pm ---
At risk of being that guy who spoils Santa Clause . . . um . . . Superman isn't a real person. He's fiction, i.e., created by writers. He is what he is written to be.
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Well, that's the whole thing. Fiction is imagination. Ultimately, I stopped reading comics, and started reading books a lot more, because there's far better writing, characterization....everything.

I think special features show a lot of behind the scenes things about the actors you wouldn't otherwise see. Ditto on many Tonight Show appearances in recent times, because they don't hold back much...sometimes at all. Which brings us to the Cruise exultation: who cares? I'm glad he came out and said whatever he wanted to say. Everyone should, always.

Ditto on Burton's Batman. Serious while otherwordly. 'Returns' was just bad.

And I think the voice on BB and The Dark Knight was electronic filter.

And, fashioncore? The night club thing? I thought it was delightfully nasty for such a PG character.

Well Fed Games:
I can't wait till Dark Knight Rises, I love those flicks. Best thing to happen to Batman since the animated series (of course, the Rocksteady-developed games were kick-ass too...).

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