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shmokes:
He's sort of lame, though. That's a problem you have to get around.

Mikezilla:

--- Quote from: Vigo on February 16, 2012, 01:03:22 pm --- :applaud:

Superman is the one superhero all of America, and pretty much most of the rest of the world has been familiar with for decades. My Grandpa read superman. Don't change the Sup'.

 :soapbox:

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 :cheers:


--- Quote from: shmokes on February 16, 2012, 01:43:36 pm ---He's sort of lame, though. That's a problem you have to get around.

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No, thats the thing. He isnt lame, writers make him lame. The idea, and the comics, are awesome. Are you going based solely on the films? Superman is the quintessential hero. If it wasnt for him, there wouldnt be others. He is the first, and among the best. Aside from Batman, and Captain America, name some heroes before him? Hercules? Cmon. Yes, I agree, he wasnt been up to snuff with the other heroes based on film, but thats an unfair assumption. Aside from the remake, Superman movies were part of the time they were created. Im not excited about this new one either, because they are just rehashing what was the most successful Superman movie, the second one. It goes back to the formulaic stance Hollywood has on making movies. I would make a Superman movie for the ages, thats what George Lucas should do with all his money. Dont make a hokey movie about black figher pilots, give me 100 million bucks to make a Superman movie. It would be glorious! 

shmokes:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 02:36:18 pm ---
No, thats the thing. He isnt lame, writers make him lame.


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At risk of being that guy who spoils Santa Clause . . . um . . . Superman isn't a real person. He's fiction, i.e., created by writers. He is what he is written to be. I already cataloged what it is about him that makes him such a boring, two-dimensional character. It's not the movies. It's his stable of powers and lack of serious threats to his safety that make him suck. That he was the first, well, he has historical significance. I'll give him that. But if you are that concerned with the first, perhaps you should give up your iPhone and carry one of these instead:

Le Chuck:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 16, 2012, 03:01:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on February 16, 2012, 02:36:18 pm ---
No, thats the thing. He isnt lame, writers make him lame.


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At risk of being that guy who spoils Santa Clause . . . um . . . Superman isn't a real person. He's fiction, i.e., created by writers. He is what he is written to be. I already cataloged what it is about him that makes him such a boring, two-dimensional character. It's not the movies. It's his stable of powers and lack of serious threats to his safety that make him suck. That he was the first, well, he has historical significance. I'll give him that. But if you are that concerned with the first, perhaps you should give up your iPhone and carry one of these instead:



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When I read comics I imagine myself to be the protagonist and there is only one superhero that I (from the time I was a lil' crumb-snatcher to this very moment) have dreamed of being... and it isn't one of the wonder twins.  Sup' has had some great story lines and some duds.  I don't have to think that Supe is in mortal danger to enjoy the narrative but because I am mortal I find myself transferring this trait to him because I can't relate emotionally to a god... even if I want to be one secretly.  Now if you'll excuse me I have to go iron my tights.   

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 16, 2012, 08:44:32 am ---Tim Burton's second Batman film wasn't very good, Howard. It was a damned sight better than what followed, but only the first one was an actually great film. And both of Nolan's films were excellent. I'm judging them solely on their merits as films. I've never read the comics so I can't comment on faithfulness to the source. But judging them exclusively on their merits as films has its advantages. Sometimes, and this is probably especially true when it comes to comics, sometimes the source material is stupid.

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Burton's second film was BETTER than the first.  Mind you they took some extreme liberties with the penguin, one's that I really don't agree with, BUT there was a genuine story to tell... it isn't like these modern super hero movies where the "story" is that there is this guy that turns into a villian and the good guy beats the crap out of him... the end.  The sub-plot with catwoman and cobblepott's dead parents ploy were very well written and you simply don't see that in the modern batman films. 

They even went so far as to explain, in detail, how batman got his training in BB.  The disaster that was Ra  aside, you should NEVER explain Batman's training... you can delve into bits of it, but the fact that he "went away" for 20 years and comes back as some sort of demi-god is part of his mystique.  It's kind of like wolverine.... you can tell a story about how wolverine fought alonside the cap in WWII, but you can't explain his origins... that makes him lame.

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