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Green Giant:
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--- Quote from: HaRuMaN on February 15, 2012, 01:09:19 pm ---Watch Bale in the Machinist. Good movie...
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for a while I thought some else played that thin guy role
like damn..how do you make dramatic changes like that.. :dizzy:
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To be honest I think I was more impressed with the fact he then spent 6 months going from that skeleton body to the 230 pound Batman body. A 100 lb weight gain is one thing, but when half of that gain is pure ripped muscles.....impressive.
Green Giant:
--- Quote from: shmokes on February 15, 2012, 01:20:31 pm ---I'm not against Bale. He's done some good stuff. Frankly, Tom Cruise is pretty good too, and god knows I wouldn't have much interest in a personal relationship with that nutjob. Tom Cruise has done some out-of-the-box stuff. He was great in Collateral. Magnolia too (though I didn't really like the film). And his role in Tropic Thunder, Jesus Christ, I didn't even know it was him for most of the movie. The movie was nearly unwatchable, but there were a couple of amazing performances in it. And at least when he is just phoning in a performance as Tom Cruise, he's not bad. He has good timing, charisma, presence. He's not bad at all. He's just a scientologist which makes you want to dislike him. And he did have quite a string of the same formulaic movie over and over again, just in a different setting each time.
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I am not saying I don't like Tom Cruise movies, but even in Collateral I never thought of him as a ruthless killer, just mean Tom Cruise.
I can only thing of Tropic Thunder and Interview with a Vampire where Cruise really took on his characters.
I like be-yourself actors after all, but that usually is cause I like the actor. I have always loved Clint Eastwood movies. I just have more respect for the crazy character actors like Bale.
Howard_Casto:
Here I'll sum it up:
Bale isn't a bad actor and shouldn't be blamed for the lame-ness that has been the last two Batman films. The casting director that ever thought he would make a good Batman should.
For that matter a list of people that should be fired for their participation in the batman disasters:
The location manager.... it's Gotham City, not downtown LA!
The vehicle designer..... The batmobile shouldn't look like a reject from a G.I. Joe playset.... motorcyles should be narrow enough that you can actually straddle them.
The writers.... Yeah let's make Ra's train Batman and take away all of his mystique and supernatural abilites... while we're at it, let's do that whole "squeeze too many villians" bit like they did in the later batman films... that turned out real well. Oh and don't forget we've got to make the Joker into a crime lord, because he just isn't dark enough already. ::)
The makeup effects guys.... Hmm lets see... scarecrow didn't look scary, the joker looked like a trauma patient, two-face was a over-cgied mess ect...
Basically both films lacked any redeeming value what-so-ever except for the fact that they were better than Batman and Robin... which is like saying you like getting raped in the face because it doesn't hurt as much as getting raped in the butt. The astounding thing is that many people LIKED those films and much worse, think they are better than the original batman films, which let's face it, are masterpieces. They have better production values certainly, but that's all they have.
As for this whole "dark" trend:
Spiderman is a special case. Rami and the principal actors said they wouldn't do a 4th spiderman due to the fact that the third one wasn't all the great and it had wrapped up the story rather nicely. In other words they had artistic integrity. The studios essentially said "screw you guys, we're making more films anyway" and HAD to reboot the franchise because all the villains were dead. Spiderman has had some "dark" times over the years, but we aren't talking about a "dark" treatment anyway, rather a (ugh...) "sexy" one. Spiderman has been dark, but he's never been sexy.... he's a quirky, nerdy type of guy. That's why we love him! He should never be portrayed as "slick" or alluring in any way.
As for superman... I just don't know what you can do with superman. Christopher Reed IS Clark Kent and now that he is gone, you just can't do anyomore superman films until you find a suitable replacement. The last guy really looked the part, but there was something missing. He was also stuck in a terrible movie. They basically ripped off the original superman film almost shot by shot and then the few things that the DID change, were just awful. Supes can't hve a baby... that's like Jesus having a baby... the faithful just won't stand for it and holdng a mountain of Kryptonite would surely kill him.
They are trying to make supes more relevant in our jaded society by making him darker but that never works. I think they just need to shelf him for now. When someone comes up with a truely masterful story they should bring him out, but not until.
shmokes:
Tim Burton's second Batman film wasn't very good, Howard. It was a damned sight better than what followed, but only the first one was an actually great film. And both of Nolan's films were excellent. I'm judging them solely on their merits as films. I've never read the comics so I can't comment on faithfulness to the source. But judging them exclusively on their merits as films has its advantages. Sometimes, and this is probably especially true when it comes to comics, sometimes the source material is stupid.
Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 16, 2012, 01:03:44 am ---As for superman... I just don't know what you can do with superman. Christopher Reed IS Clark Kent and now that he is gone, you just can't do anyomore superman films until you find a suitable replacement. The last guy really looked the part, but there was something missing. He was also stuck in a terrible movie. They basically ripped off the original superman film almost shot by shot and then the few things that the DID change, were just awful. Supes can't hve a baby... that's like Jesus having a baby... the faithful just won't stand for it and holdng a mountain of Kryptonite would surely kill him.
They are trying to make supes more relevant in our jaded society by making him darker but that never works. I think they just need to shelf him for now. When someone comes up with a truely masterful story they should bring him out, but not until.
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Check out Smallville. Tom Welling looks the part and that series did a lot of off canon stuff but really captured the feeling and direction of the Superman comics. The series blended a lot of the different story lines and universes fairly seamlessly and I would stand in line to see a movie with Tom Welling as the Big Blue Boyscout. I know people poo-poo the WB (and for good reason) but they really got me hooked with Smallville. Oh, and best Superman costume since Reeve slipped it on.
A disagree with your opinion on Nolan's Batman but I can see how some of the diehard community would feel that way. I enjoy the current treatment very much and can't wait to check out the coming film.
<Edit: I did a quick search for "does Howard like Smallville?" and came up with this so disregard please as I think I have the jist of your stance. I personally think one can be a Supe fanboy and a Smallville fanboy and happily walk the line between the two. Just like Johnny Cash.>
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