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nitz:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 10, 2012, 11:57:07 am ---He got the top three things right:
1. Gotham City is the star of any Batman film... period... everything else is icing on the cake.
2. Batman is boring (in the short term at least) and a downer as a whole, so focus on the villians
3. Realism is IMPOSSIBLE when your arch emenies run around in halloween costumes doing stupid "themed" attacks... so just go with it.
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The funny thing is, I actually agree with you on all these points. And don't get me wrong, I don't hate the movie, I got it on VHS the year it came out and still have it, and watch it maybe every few years or so. But there's something about it that rubs me the wrong way a little, and I find it hard to put into words. The best I can come up with is that it feels like maybe it was trying too hard to not be like the '60s Batman TV series, and maybe they went a tad too heavy on the "darkness" factor. This may very well be true to the comics of the time, but I didn't read them. See, and I actually think the tone of the Nolan Batman movies is perfect, but someone said that it's not like the comics. And I still don't read them. So my view on these things is a bit different perhaps because I'm not comparing it to anything.
Vigo:
I do know that Adam West hated Tim Burtin's Batman, said it lost the fun....but a big part of it seemed to be that he felt a little jaded that we wasn't invited to be a part of the film.
Le Chuck:
With Batman it came down to actor choice for me. Clooney and Kilmer couldn't do brooding the way that Keaton could (or at all). Keaton brooded better than anybody, and that's the Batman, he is analytical to a fault; however, Keaton couldn't sell it physically without the mask. That's where Patrick Bateman makes his money, brooding and in some ways as crazed as his nemisi in the films yet he's able to carry the role physically. And just to go against the grain, huge fan of the new batmobile - finally a realistic ride for the dark knight. That suped up slick sex cariage looked great but really, the HMMWV is a character unto itself and until Nolan's take it never matched the utilatarian aspect of the modern batman.
As for the new spidey I completely echo the complaint about a redux, but complaining about that is beating a dead horse. Once we get a look at what they've done we may all change camps. New franchise at least gives them th opportunity to reinvent the symbiote in all it's needed glory.
Gray_Area:
All comics have gone through different themes and styles. Like religion, they had to change or die out.
There is no comparison between Nicholson and Ledger. They both were exactly what was needed.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Le Chuck on February 10, 2012, 11:34:30 pm ---That's where Patrick Bateman makes his money, brooding and in some ways as crazed as his nemisi in the films yet he's able to carry the role physically.
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I think Christian Bale sucks bad at batman. He plays the role so two dimensionally, and the voice thing he does for his crime fighting alter-ego is downright laughable. It's the exact same voice I use with my five-year-old daughter when I'm pretending to be a monster. It's just so amateur, IMO. I actually think Christian Bale is a reasonably talented actor, but I think he's badly miscast in Batman. In fact, more like he just does a poor job. Physically he's a fine choice for Batman. His acting is just a problem.
It's an amazing testament to the writing and direction, I think, that the movies have been so good in spite of the crap performance by the lead actor.
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