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I think I hate leaf switch sticks.....
Vigo:
I didn't really read the post from donk as meaning that microswitches weren't available....I more read it that leafs were just the dominant type of joystick available for commercial machines. It was the norm.
opt2not:
--- Quote from: Donkbaca on February 01, 2012, 04:22:58 pm ---You wouldn't touch it with a 10foot pole for fighters, despite the fact that it was the arcade stick of choice for late 90's fighters here in the US?
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Most conversion cabinets used microswitch Wico's, which I'm fine with. Dynamos are probably what you remember as being late 90's US fighter cabinets. But these are not dedicated cabinets, they were built with the main idea of being able to swap out kits. Hence, those standardize joystick is good to support a multitude of different games.
I'm talking about real dedicated cabinets of the classics, like the aforementioned Robotron.
With original hardware, Robotron is absolutely fantastic. Before I finally found my grail, I played Robotron in Mame on microswitch Wico's, P360's, and even tried JLW's. They did the trick for a time, but didn't feel exactly right to what I remembered. When I finally found my cabinet, I immediately cleaned up the Wico Leafswitch sticks, got NOS grommets and leafs, and adjusted the leafs to perfection. My high scores tripled!
Gah, I really got to find time to restore my cabinet to minty fresh...
mytymaus007:
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--- Quote from: Donkbaca on February 01, 2012, 12:18:53 pm ---Leaf sticks are a pain in the ass, P360's are the best sticks IMHO
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Blanket statement.
P360s are very good sticks. But the best? Not for all games, sorry.
I wouldn't touch a P360 with a 10 foot pole for fighters, or shmups .
And no physical 4-way restriction? Fffff-that! What's a pac-MAN to do??
Original Wico's for Robotron is where it's at. Sweet delicate leafs, sturdy low-bounce-back rubber grommit...and 4" shafts. :drool that's the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- right there son.
I'm a big supporter of playing games on the hardware they were made for. All those conversion kit games can use whatever hardware, who cares...but for the dedicated games, nothing beats the original hardware.
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Hey since we are talking robotron leaf switches, Why did you refer to the sturdy low-bounce-back rubber grommit in that manner "does the grommit come in different grades because i think mine are very stiff and wish i can get sturdy low-bounce-back rubber grommits please let me know!!!!!!!!!!
Green Giant:
--- Quote from: RandyT on February 01, 2012, 04:45:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: Donkbaca on February 01, 2012, 04:22:58 pm ---I don't think there was much thought put into it, the reason that leaf sticks were used is because they were the only things they had around.
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The "microswitch" has been commercially available since 1937. I guess 40 years wasn't long enough for the arcade manufacturers to catch wind of it :P
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Get your facts straight son.
Max Wiezer said "aint no crappy ass microswitches in my products". Hence there were no microswitches.
Also the patent probably would have put a damper on profits.
opt2not:
--- Quote from: mytymaus007 on February 01, 2012, 05:38:44 pm ---Hey since we are talking robotron leaf switches, Why did you refer to the sturdy low-bounce-back rubber grommit in that manner "does the grommit come in different grades because i think mine are very stiff and wish i can get sturdy low-bounce-back rubber grommits please let me know!!!!!!!!!!
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Heh, I mean they don't bounce back much aka "wobble" when you let go of the stick! They return to center pretty solid.
Sorry, I'm gettin' that 3pm low energy lull...must pound back a cup of coffee...
Nice thing about those rubber grommets is the more you play with them, the better they feel.