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Weak year in movies
Rando:
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--- Quote from: Donkbaca on January 27, 2012, 01:24:46 pm ---Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage. Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years. When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow. You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story. That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters. This is why the new Batman films are pretty good, they focus tightly on two or three characters.
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To me thats one of the things the marvel movies has been working toward the right way with the avengers movie at least. Have a movie on every hero before throwing together a superhero bonanza. After a complete plot meltdown with the X-men, I think they are trying to fix that issue (and grab more money in the process). ;)
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Somewhat disagree as a fanboy:
- Hulk 1 was awful, Hulk 2 is on my list to see but I have low expectations
- Iron Man 1 was good, Iron Man 2 was pretty good
- Thor was good
- Captain America was really good
- Avengers hopefully will be somewhere in there as well
Le Chuck:
I liked Incredible Hulk, but I also liked Ang Lee's Hulk and I am totally psyched for another dose. I thought Captain America was weaker than Thor but still good. I really wish that the DC machine would get with the program and start producing some quality apart from Patrick Bateman... I mean Batman. Green Latern? What the hell man, fun but poorly executed. I pray for the upcoming superman.
shmokes:
--- Quote from: Donkbaca on January 27, 2012, 01:24:46 pm ---
Avengers will be garbage, all the other marvel films have been borderline garbage. Here is the problem, we love comics because something like the X-Men has been around for 40+ years and there is a deep mythology there and a lot of character development over the years. When you try to distill all of that down to 2 hours, you end up making most of the characters look shallow. You can't properly develop the story for a whole team of people in 2 hours and tell a compelling story. That is why most comic movies suck, there are just too many characters.
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I think you're memory is foggy here. The first two X-Men movies were great. Brett Ratner made an utter piece of garbage of the third film. But the recent X-Men: First Class was really good. The first two Spider-Man movies were great too. As was the first Iron Man. The second Iron Man and Thor, while not great, were at least watchable. Haven't seen Captain America. And there have been lots of great non-Marvel ones. Hellboy was fantastic. Hellboy 2 was even better according to all the critics, but IMO it sort of sucked. Kick Ass was phenomenal. Scott Pilgrim was great. The Watchmen was quite good. American Splendor was a masterpiece. The Crow was pretty good. And then you have the first Tim Burton Batman (and sort of the second) as well as both the Chris Nolan ones.
There have been A LOT of good comic book movies.
Edit: Heh . . . I totally left out the first two Christopher Reeves Supermans.
Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: shmokes on January 27, 2012, 05:59:37 pm ---Scott Pilgrim was great.
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+ a billion
Howard_Casto:
--- Quote from: thefearsomefearful on January 27, 2012, 01:58:52 pm ---I don't know, the difference between the other Marvel movies and The Avengers is Joss Whedon. He tells good character-driven stories in a sci-fi/fantasy context, so I am looking forward to it.
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Really? You really think his FILMS are good?
Let's take a look shall we?
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the film, not the series)
Alien Resurrection
Speed
Waterworld
Twister
X-men
Now fans of Joss (as well as the man himself) will say that directors and other writers monkeyed with his original vision. That excuse is getting old though. All these years and the only good thing he's ever produced is Buffy, it's spinoff and firefly/serenity. Everything else he has a hand in turns to crap. I'm rooting for the guy because his good work is REALLY good, but he's starting to look like the Next George Lucas.... famous for one and only one fantastic thing.
Even assuming that it isn't excuses (and that very well could be the case) what would lead you to believe that they aren't going to have idiot directors, producers and movie making types monkey with his vision and ruin it like they have with virtually every single film he's ever wrote?
The problem with these types of films is that the budget is too high, so the studios constantly pester the individuals who are supposed to be in charge to change things based on their non-sensical monetary concerns. Of course the catch 22 is that most super hero movies would be terrible without a high special effects budget, so there you go.
I've gotta say, this new wave of super hero movies has been really terrible.... mind you most of them are watchable, but that isn't exactly high praise. I think the second Hulk film did a really good job of capturing the theme of the old tv show and the comics, so I would say it's a success. The second (not the first or third) spiderman was really good as well. I would say that the first was also pretty good except for the fact that their interpretation of the goblin was so lame. It's a common problem with these new super hero movies.... they spend so much time pumping up the hero that the villian isn't even secondary. It ruined the fantastic 4 films, the last two xmen films, the iron man films and the green lantern film. People should look back at the Tim Burton Batmans.... the ONLY successful superhero adaptations of popular characters. They had powerful villians, a powerful setting, and writing that wasn't merely good, but matched the theme and pacing of the comic the franchise came from.
You guys also worry me that you are looking forward to films that you expect to merely be "good". That's a sure sign right there that the bar has been dropped REALLY low.
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