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2012 BYOAC Token design thread
leapinlew:
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--- Quote from: Santoro on March 04, 2012, 10:06:31 pm ---I am not able to make tokens this year. QBert has taken on the task, and I hope we get some great new ones.
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--- Quote from: Santoro on March 04, 2012, 08:08:17 pm ---My company paid $200 per side for them and they are linked to my account, rest assured they are property of Arcade Replay, LLC and will remain so.
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The BYOAC token designs were sort of a public thing, and if the original artists were willing to do business with you after this I suppose you could get new dies made at your own cost. Go for it, lets see who buys from you.
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Just so I'm tracking and not to draw this out but even if the artist that designed the token authorizes a re-mint you will not contact the die holder and authorize Q-Bert use of those dies even though you are unable to make tokens this year?
If that is the case I will donate $200 towards die creation providing that the original artist authorizes the use of his original art.
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Chuck, I can understand you taking Qberts side on this. Jumping in and taking someone elses idea without asking seems like your thing.
Santoro is 100% right in this. Qbert should have sent a PM, or at the least inquired about the project. It's just proper etiquette. I think Qbert is trying to do a good thing and I think he's a good guy. This could have been handled differently is all I'm saying.
Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on March 05, 2012, 02:26:16 pm ---Chuck, I can understand you taking Qberts side on this. Jumping in and taking someone elses idea without asking seems like your thing.
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I like your style.
saint:
Haven't read this whole thread, but:
I would be happy to see new tokens created and appreciate that Santoro has bowed out of this year's design and Q*Bert is taking it on. It's a huge undertaking -- I hope he is able to pull it off and I'll be first in line to buy some. (I want nickle by the way!)
I would be dismayed to see anyone reusing/reissuing previous years' designs without the explicit permission of the original design creator(s) and Santoro. The first because it's their design, and the second because that's pretty much taking money out of the pocket of the guy who stepped up to do this in the first place. I would not want BYOAC associated with something that didn't have everyone's blessing.
Thanks!
--- saint
Vigo:
Santoro nearly completely dropped off the radar for the last 2 years. I don't think Qbert was necessarily "sleazy" for not dropping a PM. Sure he should have done it, but Santoro was not responding to anybody here, nor responded to a thread message left to him. We were all sitting around waiting and wondering what was next. It is just a bit much to fault someone for trying to pick up the ball that has been dropped for 2 years, especially when it is a staple product of the community. In the real world of business, if someone fails to deliver a product, that is opening a door for all sorts of competition to take over without any courtesy PM's.
While my work might not have been the best, I personally contributed designs in the spirit of giving Santoro art pro bono on his promise that he would sell new tokens to the community. As a customer, I am disappointed in the lack of product, especially when I investing my time into him as well. As a fellow member here, I fully understand that he has been going through a lot and understand the circumstances.
As far as the previous designs go, I agree with Saint. It should come with permission from Santoro and the designers as well. I think Qbert could easily find non-winner designs from the contest and get permission from those designers to make an "alternate" previous year token. I am sure Qbert has invested a lot of time to make something happen, and I wish him success.
I think both Qbert and Santoro are outstanding members here, and would hate to see either tarnished by this, and of course we would all love to see new tokens for sale.
Donkey_Kong:
Well said Vigo. Let's leave it at that and move on!