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2012 BYOAC Token design thread
Santoro:
Actually I had a sticky topic for the next batch of tokens well before this thread. My life has been super hectic and the thread wasn't moving forward, I fully admit that, but I was there first. If he had PMed me I probably would have just handed over the thread to him. But to just step up and take it? Well that speaks for itself. That's all.
I'm not gonna get into a big drama here. Anyone can agree or disagree - doesn't matter to me. I have spoken my mind, and I will leave this thread to continue as it was.
Nephasth:
--- Quote from: Santoro on March 03, 2012, 04:01:56 pm ---Actually I had a sticky topic for the next batch of tokens well before this thread. My life has been super hectic and the thread wasn't moving forward, I fully admit that, but I was there first. If he had PMed me I probably would have just handed over the thread to him. But to just step up and take it? Well that speaks for itself. That's all.
I'm not gonna get into a big drama here. Anyone can agree or disagree - doesn't matter to me. I have spoken my mind, and I will leave this thread to continue as it was.
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I'm grateful you've made previous years runs of tokens in the past, I wouldn't have any BYOAC tokens if you didn't. The sticky was for 2011 tokens... there was never any mention of 2012 tokens from you. With 2011 tokens never being made, and not any real interest in 2012 design, I still think it would be a great idea for a yearless design, regardless of who makes them... I agree, no need for drama, but somebody... JUST MAKE SOME DAMNED TOKENS! Please. :)
Stingray:
I agree with Santoro 100%. Totally sleazy to just take over the project without so much as PM requesting permission. Offering to resell previous year tokens is just theft. My tokens will be coming from Santoro or the person he officially passes the torch to. No one here should order any tokens from qbert, his behavior is inexcusable.
-S
Q*Bert_OP:
--- Quote ---I was quiet when you grabbed control of the 2012 tokens because I admittedly wasn't moving it along. It was absolutely sleazy to do so without so much as a PM to me. But now this:
Quote from: Q*Bert_OP on Yesterday at 12:22:29 PM
I know. I'm considering re running the 2010 design once I found out who has the dies.
That's pretty damned presumptuous. I have the dies, they are my property, and you will not be ordering squat with them. Good luck with your rerun. Roll Eyes
I will be ordering new 2010 tokens soon, along with MAME tokens and others. I respectfully ask the community to do the right thing and not to buy remakes of any of my previous tokens from others. Q*Bert can do what he wants, I can't stop him, but I hope I can count on the community to not support this behavior.
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So now you take interest in this project? You said you had things in life to take care of. Never once did you say you were re-running any previous years.
And YOU have the dies? In YOUR possession? I see YOU must also have the machine to mint coins as well!
--- Quote from: Santoro on March 03, 2012, 04:01:56 pm ---If he had PMed me I probably would have just handed over the thread to him. But to just step up and take it? Well that speaks for itself. That's all.
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I posted publicly into that thread, and nether you nor anyone else had a problem with it. But since you're going to have a fit over it, you can keep your tokens and your dies with the design that you don't own.
Remind me why I'd put thousands of dollars of my own money to help the community, take no money until I have product to ship, sit on lots of merchandise, and profit just fractions of a cent per coin, rounding the cost per coin up to the next penny.
Santoro, now that you've bitched about me volunteering to take over your project after you had no objections of me doing so, go make some damn tokens or shut up!
Santoro:
--- Quote from: Q*Bert_OP on March 04, 2012, 05:13:32 pm ---Never once did you say you were re-running any previous years
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Interesting seeing as I actually said this weeks ago after you muscled in: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=106114.msg1246985#msg1246985
--- Quote from: Santoro ---I am very sorry, and I hope to be back when things settle down next year. I may do some re-runs if I can scrape up enough preorders, stay tuned.
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--- Quote from: Q*Bert_OP on March 04, 2012, 05:13:32 pm ---And YOU have the dies? In YOUR possession? I see YOU must also have the machine to mint coins as well!
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Not sure what you are saying. You think they are like public domain or something? It's true the dies are at the mint - My company paid $200 per side for them and they are linked to my account, rest assured they are property of Arcade Replay, LLC and will remain so. Possession is irrelevant. You don't have your money under your mattress, so I guess therefore I can go to your bank withdraw some? Is that how you think it works? Hopefully I misunderstood what you were implying, you can't possibly be that naive.
The BYOAC token designs were sort of a public thing, and if the original artists were willing to do business with you after this I suppose you could get new dies made at your own cost. Go for it, lets see who buys from you.