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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2012, 02:55:01 pm »
Ya might as well get it perfect while it's almost done. Just buy the scanner and take it back to get your money. lol No use in giving up now!  ;D

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2012, 03:06:04 pm »
A scanner is not nessasary.
Im doing a test print of the raw scan to have for dot comparison on the new print.
what you are seeing is both the mix of red dots and blk dots giving you the illusion of a dk red/marron.
the black used for the halftone could be whats called process black which makes it a little more transparent
than a typical  solid black print so you might even be seeing some of that red bleeding through that black.

The isssue with the circle. Ill look closer at this. not a big deal to fix
the problem is for 2 reasons, one the scan wasnt true so it wasnt a true circle to begin with.
which because of that a  better cleaner vectored version of that logo was made to replace it.
The Cleaned up/Johnny knockout  was resampled and had to be put back to its orginal size and because of that
it may not be exactly as it was, pixel to  pixel.
 but it most liekly wasnt 100% correct to begin with seeings how the text wasnt straight, the logo wasnt circle etc.
Id have to assume there were slight discripinsies throughout the intinial scan.


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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2012, 03:27:33 pm »
A scanner is not nessasary.
Im doing a test print of the raw scan to have for dot comparison on the new print.
what you are seeing is both the mix of red dots and blk dots giving you the illusion of a dk red/marron.
the black used for the halftone could be whats called process black which makes it a little more transparent
than a typical  solid black print so you might even be seeing some of that red bleeding through that black.

The isssue with the circle. Ill look closer at this. not a big deal to fix
the problem is for 2 reasons, one the scan wasnt true so it wasnt a true circle to begin with.
which because of that a  better cleaner vectored version of that logo was made to replace it.
The Cleaned up/Johnny knockout  was resampled and had to be put back to its orginal size and because of that
it may not be exactly as it was, pixel to  pixel.
 but it most liekly wasnt 100% correct to begin with seeings how the text wasnt straight, the logo wasnt circle etc.
Id have to assume there were slight discripinsies throughout the intinial scan.




True. MY scan was straight although the halftone doesn't seem right but the outer right edge of the halftone where you can see it clearly. Idk if it was because I was shaking or my scanner sucks even more than my shaking. Which is very much possible! It was only 100 bucks. I'm going to take an actual picture with a measuring tape for you of the dragon. Give me a minute.

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2012, 03:36:45 pm »
Ok so the black border around the dragon is 1/4" and the white border around it is 1/8"
Tape was a little crooked that's why it looks "off" Kind hard holding a tape and angling the camera right. lol
While I'm at it it seems the halftone dots towards the top are 1/16" apart.



Btw by looking at this pic. Look how they didn't line it up right where the R is.


In the loop of the R it's a black halftone over a WHITE background and since they didn't line it up they tried to put a red color on the black halftone and got it in the white of the R.

Which makes me "think" they put black halftone over a white background. Then it seems they tried putting a light red over the black & white halftone to give it that darker maroon color and fill the white dots in with red all in 1 pass. I just don't understand how they got it lighter the lower it went on the cabinet. Prob has a lot to do with the black halftone. Maybe that's why the gradient changes halfway through the artwork having to do with the changing of the dots and squares in the halftone.? They had a red base with black squares on the bottom then when it starts getting darker they used a halftone that's pretty much the opposite if the bottom on the white background That Has to be how they did it.. So it also seems for the white parts like the lettering at the top they just pretty much edited out the halftone to make the lettering and maybe went over that spot with white paint because there is no halftone I can see at all in the lettering


I know it sounds confusing and I prob explained it horribly.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2012, 04:56:53 pm »
so whats the diameter of either circle? black or white?
I could only guess from the scan but did 7 1/2 on the white
and your right its currently double @1/4"

But its not really important at this point for the repro.
but there is no "white paint" the vinyl is white
and red was 100% screened under the black.

look at it this way if the red went ontop of the black your faded side wouldnt be white under the black
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2012, 05:15:09 pm »
My faded side where it gets darker isn't white and it's severely faded. The bottom is though where there is different halftones. For the dragon give me a little and I get the measurements. I got company over. I understand there are more important things than a white border. Figured I'd point it out while I remembered because my memory isn't that great.

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2012, 08:30:43 pm »
no good catch. thats important.
I was referring to the print order really. kinda irelevent for inkjet printing.

the test print of the scan dosnt show my much its not that good detail
but the Logo is 7 1/4" tall and 7 5/8" wide (white circle)
so once thats confirmed Ill make those adjustments along with the border thickness :cheers:
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2012, 09:24:32 pm »
Thanks. Ya my scanner sucks. I'm gonna confirm those measurements because my scanner is garbage and was resizing the scans for no reason at all.

Ok Of the white border I have 7 1/4" all the way around
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2012, 01:10:02 am »
Might be confused about this, but I also thought that it was all black near the top with the red dots being all that was causing it to appear otherwise, but then I saw this that makes it apparent that the background is NOT really completely black.  Looks like black by the registered symbol and at the back edge of the cabinet (appears to be a guideline for where to cut the art or cab if they applied art then cut wood as I think was mentioned).  What do you guys think?

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BTW:  Posted this reply before I saw all the posts on page 3 of this topic, lol.  Didn't know we had a third page already, so didn't see RejectedManiac's post 5 replies up from here.  Think I'll hush since I am in over my head with the screening techniques!
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #89 on: March 04, 2012, 02:31:26 am »
No need to hush. If you want to say something say it. That's what I'm doing at least. lol I don't know the whole process of screen printing either but just saying what it looks like to me. Who knows maybe some things have changed in screen printing due to technology. I know computerized stuff like negatives, photoshop, etc..

BTW not to go off topic again but here is the process. Wonder how many of these little shops there were making these arcade machines. My Mortal Kombat 1 has a piece of another arcade machine inside they must have messed up on and used for scrap. 1 thing is for sure is that they weren't just making for atari! I see killer Instinct 1 side art on the wall! Maybe we should find them and just ask for mortal kombat 1  ::)
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2012, 03:12:47 am »
Glad to see this is being worked on. I have given rikitiki a link to the original unaltered scans to help get the correct halftone size. A lot of work has gone into these files here is a reminder of how they looked when I got a hold of them from phalcon_2600.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #91 on: March 04, 2012, 03:17:44 am »
Idt were ever gonna give up  ;D

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2012, 04:46:27 pm »
halftones are just about there. Did another small test today jst halftone print a couple inches at top and a few at the bottom
still needs a little dialing in to get it the way goldilocks likes
just right  :o
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2012, 05:28:35 pm »
what is that nailgun thingy they are using??

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« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2012, 06:09:39 pm »
what is that nailgun thingy they are using??

is this a trick question?
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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2012, 06:40:55 pm »
what is that nailgun thingy they are using??

I believe its a nail gun thingy.

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2012, 07:38:11 pm »
Lol!  Finish nailer?  I can't figure out why the one the guy has is taped all the heck up.  Oh, sorry, off-topic commenting.  Hope to see the latest examples of the art soon rikitiki!

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« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2012, 07:58:10 pm »
I can't wait for more pictures! I hope people will appreciate the work we are doing as a team when they buy them. I really do...

@MKFan4Life Looks to me like a staple gun that they are using. My arcade machines have the staples anyways.

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #98 on: March 12, 2012, 05:14:55 pm »
The Halftones are done and pretty happy with how they turned out.
The file is getting HUGE and taking alot of time to process and render into the final print file.
Look for final test print pics hopefully sometime tommorrow.  :cheers:
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« Reply #99 on: March 12, 2012, 05:26:25 pm »
The Halftones are done and pretty happy with how they turned out.
The file is getting HUGE and taking alot of time to process and render into the final print file.
Look for final test print pics hopefully sometime tommorrow.  :cheers:

We're all anxious to see the finished images.

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2012, 05:32:27 pm »
YAY!!!! I am so ready! Got my sander, paint, & roller ready to go! Will you give instructions on applying the side art correctly? Also do you suggest paint to adhere better? I was told no waxes and silicones. I got Krylon Color Creations Acrylic Latex enamel (Satin Black). I called the company on the can and they said it has neither of those.

Thanks!
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2012, 01:44:57 pm »
yes you should paint or prime the cab
I usally just prime oil based Kiltz and call it a day.

but either way the paint or prime will not only give the vinyl a better stick ot will also help show
imperfections in the wood that might need to be fixed before applying.

Ill actually be doing a tutorial soon on full coverage side art that will help
heres one I did on a cockpit.

http://www.coinopspace.com/profiles/blogs/the-art-dr-makes-a-house-call
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #102 on: March 14, 2012, 02:09:02 pm »
A FINAL FULL SIZED TEST PRINT IS RUNNING NOW!!

A couple of quick technical notes: creating basically a 3ftx 6ft halftone uses ALOT of memory.
and once I had the halftone nailed and test printed the file was too large to combined with Johnny/Dragon  ???
the vector itself was about 800mb but with so many objects there wasnt enough memory even w/12gigs of ram
to assemble it all.
So the halftone layer was rastered @1200 dpi and then layered with the other objects.
The file still takes about an hour to load/process into the rip and the print itself so far has been about an hour
and has only printed about a foot.  :o

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #103 on: March 14, 2012, 02:33:19 pm »
Awesome man! I can't wait! Thanks for the link. Checking it out while discharging my monitor. I came home from my girlfriends grandfathers funeral to find my width caps in the mail as well as this post. It's making me feel a whole lot better now  :'(

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« Reply #104 on: March 14, 2012, 03:29:20 pm »
3 1/2 hours and counting
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #105 on: March 14, 2012, 04:10:48 pm »
Jesus christ that is long! And by god does that look sexy!

Not to mention I just fixed my width problem on my monitor!

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #106 on: March 14, 2012, 04:26:19 pm »
Final time for 1 side 3hrs 49min and I think Im stickin a fork in this and calling this one done. :cheers:
Ill be adding it to the site hopefully later today.









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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #107 on: March 14, 2012, 04:45:40 pm »
OMFG! IT LOOKS AMAZING! I LOVE IT!

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« Reply #108 on: March 14, 2012, 09:22:38 pm »
looks like it turned out fantastic. A job well done.

do these fit exactly with no overlap on the sides? or is there some room to fold over the edge and possible place the t-molding on top to avoid it scraping off somehow?
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« Reply #109 on: March 14, 2012, 09:37:43 pm »
3 1/2 hours and counting


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I just peed a little... 

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« Reply #110 on: March 15, 2012, 11:25:26 am »
looks like it turned out fantastic. A job well done.

do these fit exactly with no overlap on the sides? or is there some room to fold over the edge and possible place the t-molding on top to avoid it scraping off somehow?

theres aprox 1" bleed of art all around cabinet and about 2-3" at the bottom.
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« Reply #111 on: March 15, 2012, 11:29:48 am »
Very cool, everyone's hard work is paying off!

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« Reply #112 on: March 16, 2012, 01:04:02 pm »
Ok have added these to my website $200 FREE US SHIP + a FREE MK Tshirt (while supplies/sizes last)
http://www.thisoldgame.com/products/mortal-kombat-side-art
So you can kick butt and install your new sideart in style  :afro:


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« Reply #113 on: March 16, 2012, 01:22:04 pm »
LMFAO! How cool is that! Idt anyone can pass that up!  :applaud:

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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #114 on: March 28, 2012, 12:40:20 pm »
Hey Rich, there is a problem. I got the art today and it's too big. It does not fit on the dedicated cab. All the dimensions are about 1 inch too big. I'm talking about the artwork itself, not the background. I know you extended the edges 1" to allow for some wraparound, but it looks like the entire image was stretched and not just the background. Make sense?

I'm uploading a video now, but you may have a big problem on your hands with all the people who have ordered already. Stay tuned.
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« Reply #115 on: March 28, 2012, 02:18:31 pm »
Somehow Im not suprized by this.
The art has changed hands so many times and was resampled several times before I got it.  :'(

though what is suprizing is I know the MK circle logo is the correct diameter.
so would be hard to imagine the rest of the image being that far off considering how some of that art circles it.
 
On the plus side outside of the set I sent you theres only been 1 set sold.  :o
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« Reply #116 on: March 28, 2012, 02:44:02 pm »
Somehow Im not suprized by this.
The art has changed hands so many times and was resampled several times before I got it.  :'(

though what is suprizing is I know the MK circle logo is the correct diameter.
so would be hard to imagine the rest of the image being that far off considering how some of that art circles it.
 
On the plus side outside of the set I sent you theres only been 1 set sold.  :o



That's good. There is hope though. I got it to work and look good. There are some issues with parts of the image needing to be cut off in order to have it aligned correctly. I will explain in greater detail in the video I am uploading to my YouTube channel. Here are some before and after pics so you can see how it looks. MANY thanks Rich to the effort you put into this and the time it took to make it look this good.

Now if we can just figure out the dimensions issue, we'd be all set. I wasn't going to use the art, but it was going to be much better than what I had before, so I used it anyway. Turned out great, so thanks again and I'll post the video soon to explain the differences in greater detail...


Before...


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After...














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« Reply #117 on: March 28, 2012, 03:08:55 pm »
interresting the cut at Johnny Hair seems about the same.
the obvious are the circle logo and dragon tail hitting too low,
Midway logo off the back, and at the bottom dragons claw looks like it can go up some.
which would probly correct the circle logo issue at the top.

Ill certainly make corrections and send you a new side when you return.

the first question Id have was the cabinet shape, angles, dimension correct?
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #118 on: March 28, 2012, 03:15:07 pm »
In the video that I am currently uploading, I explain why simply raising the art up a bit won't work. You end up cutting off much more of JC's hair by raising up the image to align the top. The vid should answer any questions. You'll see. It's as good as it can possible be without making it further out of alignment. I can take measurements of everything on the good side of my cab and you can use them to compare and make a new file.

Don't worry about sending me a new side. I'm happy with the way this one turned out and to be quite honest, I don't feel like fighting this bastard again. Stay tuned for the vid and again, thanks for the hard work on this. It's really appreciated.
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Re: Mortal Kombat 1 Side Art
« Reply #119 on: March 28, 2012, 08:38:27 pm »
Here is the video if the issues...


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