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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #320 on: February 14, 2018, 10:32:02 pm »
It's always annoyed me.  If women are cold they should just dress warmer.  Logically speaking the women can put on more clothes, but the men can only get so naked before they are reported to HR. 

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #321 on: February 14, 2018, 11:20:48 pm »
Hard to type with cold hands.  Get a fan you land walrus.


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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #322 on: February 15, 2018, 12:33:14 am »
1.  That's why man invented gloves.

2.  Remember I'm in the fattest state in the union.  At 225 I'm considered skinny around here.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #323 on: February 15, 2018, 02:16:57 am »
That was always another bone of contention for me.
There was many times where I would be called to the call centre for the AC “not working/to hot/to cold” only to find the person who was to hot sat in a fleece when everyone else was in t shirts.

Needless to say eventually most of em worked out they got a Frosty response from me for being stupid and stopped asking.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #324 on: February 15, 2018, 10:30:31 am »
There was many times where I would be called to the call centre for the AC “not working/to hot/to cold” only to find the person who was to hot sat in a fleece when everyone else was in t shirts.

The world exists only to accommodate my need to express myself through fashion.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #325 on: February 15, 2018, 10:57:50 am »
Just wait until you connive and backstab your way into management and have to diplomatically listen to this office drama ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- 3 hours a day.


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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #326 on: February 15, 2018, 12:41:21 pm »
Nobody would hire me as a office dweller.

I dont tolerate idiots and have a sharp tongue.

Apparently.....

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #327 on: February 15, 2018, 01:09:41 pm »
Just wait until you connive and backstab your way into management and have to diplomatically listen to this office drama ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- 3 hours a day.

I hear from my friends in management that dealing with HR is a treat though.

Nobody would hire me as a office dweller.

I dont tolerate idiots and have a sharp tongue.

Apparently.....

going from road tech to office computer guy was  :dizzy: but hey at least I'm no longer spending my time in a stripped down van that was freezing in the winter and sweltering hot in the summer.

I do miss the 2 to 3 hr drives in the country one-way where I didn't have to listen to another person's voice.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2018, 01:14:49 pm by nitrogen_widget »

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #328 on: February 15, 2018, 01:14:27 pm »
HR never talk to me, Think they scared of me lol

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #329 on: February 15, 2018, 03:47:28 pm »
HR never talk to me, Think they scared of me lol

That's the way to be.  Office politics are just like prison.... find the baddest person in the yard and scare the crap out of them.  ;)

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #330 on: February 15, 2018, 03:50:38 pm »
HR never talk to me, Think they scared of me lol

That's the way to be.  Office politics are just like prison.... find the baddest person in the yard and scare the crap out of them.  ;)

Ide never really thought of it like that but you have a point lol

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #331 on: February 15, 2018, 05:17:32 pm »
Even though i'm not a dik in the office it's been pointed out to me multiple times by different people that they HAVE to be nice to me because I actually fix things and they need me. LOL!

Because God help them if they have to call the help desk for anything more than resetting their password.


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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #332 on: February 16, 2018, 12:00:52 pm »
...the baddest person in the yard...

As an HR guy, I take that as a compliment.  >:D

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #333 on: February 16, 2018, 12:10:20 pm »
Is Dave Foley still alive?

Yeah?

Must not suck that bad to him...
%Bartop

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #334 on: February 16, 2018, 12:42:56 pm »
...the baddest person in the yard...

As an HR guy, I take that as a compliment.  >:D

The question is are you afraid of the bad tempered engineers lol

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #335 on: February 16, 2018, 02:58:33 pm »
 :lol lol! I'm getting used to bad tempered engineers. I have accepted the fact that there is nothing on this earth that I can do to ever change an engineer's opinion. Option A is leave the Engineer alone. When this is not possible, option B is to aim to get them to be OK with not being involved with the process/decisions. An engineer actively disagreeing with you is a complete impasse. Avoid at all costs.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #336 on: February 16, 2018, 03:16:22 pm »
:lol lol! I'm getting used to bad tempered engineers. I have accepted the fact that there is nothing on this earth that I can do to ever change an engineer's opinion. Option A is leave the Engineer alone. When this is not possible, option B is to aim to get them to be OK with not being involved with the process/decisions. An engineer actively disagreeing with you is a complete impasse. Avoid at all costs.

Sounds like you got us sussed hahaha

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #337 on: February 16, 2018, 04:40:29 pm »
In defense of engineers, the reason you can't change their opinion is because it isn't an opinion.  It is a theory devised from the facts at hand... they are engineers after all.  ;)

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #338 on: February 16, 2018, 05:23:24 pm »
In defense of engineers, the reason you can't change their opinion is because it isn't an opinion.  It is a theory devised from the facts at hand... they are engineers after all.  ;)

Thanks Howard ;)

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #339 on: February 16, 2018, 06:37:16 pm »
 :cheers:  It is the truth. And for the record, I like all the engineers I work with. Even if they make my job crazy sometimes. Recent example:

I am building out training for a new equipment system we are developing. The system contains a chemical mixing chamber, a waste collection pan, and a chemical bottle that feeds into the system. I have develop training for our technicians to assemble. In the training, I tell technicians to connect the chemical jug to the hose that leads to the mixing container, and waste will be disposed of in the drain pan.

Engineer looks at it and rejects the training, because I correctly labeled the mixing container, but the chemical jug is really a chemical container, "Jug" is just not a term any engineer can accept, and the drain pan, is considered a "drain container", because of its parts classification it is too deep to be a pan.

So his proposal is that I train technicians to connect the container to the container that drains into the other container.  Thus began my two week journey that ultimately ended in creating a "engineer to technician" translation dictionary.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #340 on: February 16, 2018, 09:16:23 pm »
You aren't going to believe this, but honestly I prefer the latter explanation.  I would suggest you designate them as container a, container b, and container c to alleviate confusion.  Believe it or not, terms like drain pan and jug can be regional, especially if you have some workers that weren't originally from the US. 

Then again I'm a programmer, and we have our own issues. 

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #341 on: February 17, 2018, 01:45:34 am »
I'm sure you are used to having subsets of the same name as a programmer. Technicians tend to need to be handed terms or they make up their own thing, which is funny because we deal with regional terms as part of our training problems. One of our training technicians just recently got called out for referring to epoxy as "Wet tape". There are references in our tech manuals to attaching cabling using "batmen" thanks to regional lingo.

The problem in this case was that they are wildly different things. One is a chemical bottle, similar to a bleach bottle. Another is an internal component and the third is a remote, large metal basin. If they were 3 similar things, I would have been much cooler about calling them the same thing.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #342 on: February 17, 2018, 01:51:28 am »
That made me chuckle lol

But yeah like Howard said some of those terms are regional.

A jug for instance is a small hand held measuring device over here.

My advice to you would be call it what it is.
A apple is a apple ya know.

If when you built the thing your guys called it a chemical bottle call it that no need to change the name unless its inaccurate.

I understood your first terms but the second lot confused me lol

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #343 on: February 17, 2018, 07:16:35 am »
So his proposal is that I train technicians to connect the container to the container that drains into the other container.

One time I had to travel to set up shop and train some people due to a dept being relocated to different city.  The job was basically just repackaging items from bulk for individual sale.  Had a woman who insisted on referring to everything as a "unit".  "Put a gauge and a pack of hardware in the plastic shell, then insert that into the box and put a label on it". She'd reply "so I take this unit and that unit and put it in this unit".  It was even more weird when she announced that she ran out of units and then had to further explain which unit she was talking about.  She would also ask whether she should use this unit or that unit while holding up identical  boxes at a distance.  I don't know if she was trying to sound technical or had worked in a factory where they called every damn thing units.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #344 on: February 17, 2018, 12:50:25 pm »
My advice to you would be call it what it is.
A apple is a apple ya know.

except when you are a programmer.

in a failsafe system, to differentiate NO data from ZERO data.
because if you have a sensor failure or disconnect, the input reads continuously low, you need to be able to differentiate that..

00000000 = no data incoming opposed to it having an actual value of zero, otherwise on failure the system would continue to operate as if the value was "zero" instead of halting.


so you can't count from "zero". so you need to count from one.

00000001 = 0
00000010 = 1
00000011 = 2
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11111110 = 253
11111111 = 254

but knowing this, leads to some interesting conversations with people who have no idea.

"what is the current data of the X sensor?"

"nothing"

"nothing or ZERO"

"I don't know... it's nothing it's showing nothing"

"so it showing as blank?"

"no it has 3 zeros"

 :dizzy:

okay the sensor value IS zero then.

"what is the value of Y sensor then?"

"nothing"

 :banghead:

*Disheartened sigh*

".........nothing....... or ZERO"

"nothing"

".....like blank?"

"yeah, like blank"

"HALLELUJAHHHHHH"

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #345 on: February 17, 2018, 01:00:06 pm »
why would banks loan an "employee" 3 million dollars tho ???

what happened to that money?

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #346 on: February 17, 2018, 01:14:25 pm »
Seems like most sensors I’ve used (not many) all differentiate between zero and no value....

 :dunno

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #347 on: February 17, 2018, 02:29:06 pm »
Most do, you are correct, but lilshawn is also correct.... especially on older systems you'll see data similar to what he is saying. 

I know the fact that, sensors aside, the opposite is true and most programmers consider "0" a "1" which confuses the heck out of normal people.  We don't waste data space and properly defined numeric variables default to 0, so in an array or enumeration, 0 is just the first selection of data.  Strangely enough, where we dig around in INI files and various text based configuration files in this hobby, we are all used to starting with 0, so even if you aren't a programmer you have a leg up on the "normies". 

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #348 on: February 18, 2018, 02:30:41 am »
So he only got 2 years and $5K fine?  :o :o :o

The mofugger scammed millions right? If he's out by now he's come home to fat stacks that were probably burred somewhere.

Seems like he made out like a bandit unless I'm not understanding all of it...

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #349 on: February 28, 2018, 02:00:50 pm »
Engineers only get pissy because they see a way to solve a problem and automatically assume it is the best way, and all other ways don't make sense to them, even if they work perfectly fine and just as effectively.  Especially if they didn't think of that alternative way to accomplish the same thing.

And "region" always plays in, no matter what you look at.  That container may be a jug to everyone, or maybe it's a pitcher.  And in programming, depending on what language you are working in (i.e. what "region" of programming you are in), zeros and nulls may be the same, or may not.  Heck, even within one language it may be different depending on the situation.  Zero and Null can both be false, or a zero can be true.  And a zero and a one can both be true, or one could be false and one true.  :dizzy: 

BTW, even google doesn't know what a proper jug is.  Google "jug" and you get a bunch of pictures of pitchers.  A jug is what moonshine came in before they started using jars.   :cheers:

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #350 on: February 28, 2018, 06:20:04 pm »
Engineers only get pissy because they see a way to solve a problem and automatically assume it is the best way, and all other ways don't make sense to them, even if they work perfectly fine and just as effectively.  Especially if they didn't think of that alternative way to accomplish the same thing.

No, engineers get pissy when they have to figure out the problems caused by people who have that mindset, when in reality they possess only a superficial understanding as to why things are done as they are.

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« Reply #351 on: February 28, 2018, 07:30:35 pm »
Engineers only get pissy because they see a way to solve a problem and automatically assume it is the best way, and all other ways don't make sense to them, even if they work perfectly fine and just as effectively.  Especially if they didn't think of that alternative way to accomplish the same thing.

No, engineers get pissy when they have to figure out the problems caused by people who have that mindset, when in reality they possess only a superficial understanding as to why things are done as they are.
Lol!  Doctors and Engineers seem to always think they are the only ones who understand. 

I will admit, I have been on both sides of this.  I've come up with solutions to complicated problems that people ignore, thinking they have an easier solution simply because they don't understand the underlying issues or the damage they are inadvertently doing with their shortcut.  And I have been schooled by people who are otherwise looked at as idiots when they come up with a solution to a problem that is orders of magnitude simpler than my solution as well as more effective.

In an engineers eyes, when you solve a problem or build something that works without their help, you just got lucky.  Because as you just said, there is no way any of us non engineers have more than a superficial understanding of why things are the way they are. 

For me, my greatest regret is having studied physics for several years in high school and college.  I was so much happier when I didn't have a clue how the world really worked.

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #352 on: March 01, 2018, 02:45:36 pm »

BTW, even google doesn't know what a proper jug is.  Google "jug" and you get a bunch of pictures of pitchers.  A jug is what moonshine came in before they started using jars.   :cheers:

Don't google images of podium.  (the thing you stand on when receiving medals NOT  the thing you stand at when making a speech which is a "lectern" but everyone says podium.)

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Re: Sucks to Be Dave Foley...
« Reply #353 on: March 01, 2018, 04:49:02 pm »

BTW, even google doesn't know what a proper jug is.  Google "jug" and you get a bunch of pictures of pitchers.  A jug is what moonshine came in before they started using jars.   :cheers:


When I google for a "jug", I always search for them in plural.

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« Reply #354 on: March 01, 2018, 05:15:58 pm »

BTW, even google doesn't know what a proper jug is.  Google "jug" and you get a bunch of pictures of pitchers.  A jug is what moonshine came in before they started using jars.   :cheers:


When I google for a "jug", I always search for them in plural.

True dat!

  
 

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