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Hoopz:
OJ was in Naked Gun, Danny Glover was in Lethal Weapon.

wp34:
I got to see ZZ Top on the Eliminator tour.  They were awesome.  But now I much prefer their pre-Eliminator work.  Their very first "Best Of CD" is an absolute classic.

JMB:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on January 04, 2012, 10:10:21 am ---
--- Quote from: JMB on January 03, 2012, 07:33:57 pm ---

The fact that he molested children makes all of this irrelevant IMO.

ON TOPIC - It will be interesting to see if the cash grab factor outweighs the fact that they couldn't get along. I would not be the least bit surprised to see this tour blow up at some point before it finishes or possibly even starts.

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Well first off, no, not it does not.  Oj Simpsom is a murderer, or at the very least civially liable for murder, but he was a hell of a football player and was damn good in those lethal weapon movies.  Now I don't want to ever see the son of a ---smurfette--- again, but back in the day... he was pretty awesome. 

Secondly MJ didn't molest children.  He was never convicted of anything.  To top it all off, shortly after his death some of the familes that accused him of molestation released statments saying that it was all a ploy for money.  I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  He wasn't a molester, he was ape-crap crazy.  Because of said craziness he had no concept of how to behave around children, getting him into seemingly inappropriate situations.

Of course we'll never know for sure, but last time I checked we live in America and around these parts you have to be proven guilty of something before people have the right condemn you. 


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Like I said. IMO. To me he was guilty. You are doing the exact same thing with your OJ reference. OJ was not proven guilty. Civil liability is not the same thing.  Trust me, I think OJ was guilty as sin, but he was not proven so. Michael Jackson reached an out of court settlement in 1993 on molestation allegations. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of innocence.

shmokes:

--- Quote from: JMB on January 04, 2012, 12:03:24 pm ---Not exactly a ringing endorsement of innocence.

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Nor is it anything like a tacit admission of guilt. Come on . . . you think Kobe Bryant raped that girl? That one is just cut and dried obvious innocence, and he settled out of court. You think a person with a bajillion dollars ought to put his faith in the justice system when he can end it all by signing a check? What would you do? What if your lawyer put your odds at 75% chance of winning? What if your case was so good that he said 90% chance of winning? You have a bajillion dollars and you're going to risk your career (not to mention risk living multiple years of your life in a cage) on those odds? I mean, they're good odds. But the stakes are pretty ---smurfing--- high. Imagine what a conviction for child molestation or rape would do to your life. To your career. Imagine what long-term incarceration in a prison would do to you.

Juries are unpredictable. Of course you settle something like that if you can.

Hoopz:
I've always thought Robin Williams was just as creepy as Michael Jackson.

And Kobe didn't do it?  That huge rock he bought his wife (soon to be ex) was a telltale sign that at least something happened that shouldn't have. 

And MJ went to play baseball because Stern was sick of his gambling problems not because he was tired of basketball.  All sorts of rumors and speculation when only a few (couple of?) people know the truth.

I'd bet good money on Robin Williams being a pedophile though.

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