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ark_ader:

--- Quote ---If you end up with a situation where the only way to run your own code on Windows is inside of another virtual machine (Virtual PC) then MAME performance is crippled beyond belief.
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This is a good case in point, which I tried to raise with Mr Belmont a few months ago. 

The day will come when the x86 platform is locked down as Intel has been developing  "Intel Insider Technology" that supports this lockdown.  Intel is targeting film piracy with embedded chips but the sights could be focusing on other illegal activities like software piracy.  Mame is not piracy in theory, but has promoted, encouraged, and in some cases created industries that brush with copyright theft. 

Then it will be cat and mouse until the project dies or some Mamedev starts adapting.  I suggested to Mr Belmont to move Mame to a unique Linux distribution, where it can run wild and free in its controlled environment.  Some might think this a laughable idea, but Linux is much faster than Windows in many respects. Yes there will be work involved, but it will be able to run across different platforms on an OS devoid of C#, except maybe Mono.

I think we can all run Mame on Linux or the Xbox for that matter.

I've sent you a PM Haze.
Haze:

--- Quote from: ark_ader on December 31, 2011, 01:28:32 pm ---I think we can all run Mame on Linux or the Xbox for that matter.

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Really? All the locked bootloader stuff that's creeping in is a concern.  Microsoft have said it will be down to the OEMs how it's implemented, but when you consider that many OEMs now tell you that your HARDWARE warranty is invalidated if you replace the operating system how many are going to choose to lock the systems to Windows by default?  Again this is something that would in the past have been considered completely unacceptable, replacing the software invalidates the hardware warranty? but thanks to the phone generation it's considered the norm, jailbreaking to replace your OS / run your own software invalidates your warranty.

I can easily see a two tiered PC system developing, and even unsigned / open systems / applications being denied access to the internet due to 'security concerns' (much as you can't use a hacked console on the console networks and you can't use a lot of DRM content on Linux right now)  The problem is the mainstream users of PCs aren't going to care less as long as the can check their Facebook and run the latest games.  That's what this generation has shown, that the majority are perfectly willing to accept that, and even pay a premium price for it!
Donkbaca:
Sorry, I just don't care for future world big brother scare paranoia.  I also don't care if Apple or whoever has to say everything is ok.  As an end consumer all that matters to me is that I get something that I want cheap and easy.  If their policies are THAT horrible, then someone, somewhere will figure out a new platform or a hack or some work around to get that functionality that people want but can't have.

So developers have to run through more hoops.  I don't really care.  If there is money to be made making lives easier for developers, then someone will do it.

I like apple products because they are simple, reliable and the software for the i-devices is cheap and easy to get.  I could care less about a draconian APPLE OWNS YOU kind of world. 
Haze:

--- Quote from: Donkbaca on January 03, 2012, 02:28:21 pm ---Sorry, I just don't care for future world big brother scare paranoia.  I also don't care if Apple or whoever has to say everything is ok.  As an end consumer all that matters to me is that I get something that I want cheap and easy.  If their policies are THAT horrible, then someone, somewhere will figure out a new platform or a hack or some work around to get that functionality that people want but can't have.

So developers have to run through more hoops.  I don't really care.  If there is money to be made making lives easier for developers, then someone will do it.

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Unfortunately there's far more money to be made in preventing it, at least in the short term.  In the long term the consequences are likely to be dire as you're going to have almost abolished the hobbyist programmer in future generations, or at least set up too many hoops for most of them to persevere with an interest.


--- Quote from: Donkbaca on January 03, 2012, 02:28:21 pm ---I like apple products because they are simple, reliable and the software for the i-devices is cheap and easy to get.  I could care less about a draconian APPLE OWNS YOU kind of world. 

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Which makes you a big part of the problem.

As I've said, projects like MAME simply would never have come to existence in the environment we're rapidly heading towards.  The Me Me Me, Now Now Now attitude, and complete inability for people to see or care for the bigger picture and how it's going to affect others is a burden.  Projects like MAME, and many other Open Source projects are already suffering from a lack of talented developers due to the 'console generation'.  I've been contributing for around 12 years, yet there are almost no developers with an interest in non-paid 'for fun' development coming through who are younger than me, and I was one of the youngest at the time.  That only stands to get worse as people on the whole start accepting locked down systems as the norm.  It all comes down to greed.
Donkbaca:
yep, I still don't care.... We can go back and forth about what wouldn't have existed in some sort of alternate future universe, bt I just don't really care.  So you are saying that in the future MAME might get abandoned?  It would probably get commercialized at some point I think, if people cared enough about it.  If people cared about it enough to work on it for free, it would survive.  If people just don't care and it dies, well, that's life.  Its what happened to pinball.
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