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pointdablame:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 22, 2011, 06:57:55 am ---Not any stupider than claiming that plasma is in any way a wise invesment in this day and age.
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If you say so Howard, after all you're always right and you love telling us all. And in case that sarcasm isn't thick enough, there is absolutely no reason that buying a plasma with a PQ that you like isn't a wise investment. I'd argue that your "sweet spot" LCDs are the least desirable investment right now since LED is clearly superior to LCDs and the prices are dropping
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 22, 2011, 06:57:55 am ---Arguably they can have a better color contrast than a bargain basement bin lcd and it might be cheaper, but there are tons of negatives to owning plasma that I won't get into here.
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Why not? Wouldn't going through this long list of negatives help the OP make a decision? My guess is you'll mention that plasmas use a good bit more power than LCD or LED (which they do) and that like for like, they're almost certain to put out more heat than LCD/LED. They're also heavier like for like. That doesn't stop me from having my 50" plasma hung on a wall for 3 years with no issues though. So what is your big list of negatives?
And color contrast and black level comparisons aren't really "arguable." Go read up on any standardized calibrations and you'll see that only recently has LED lit LCD panels come anywhere near levels of plasma. And color quality, as I mentioned is largely a personal matter as all sets today have a pretty good baseline color reproduction except perhaps the lowest of the low end stuff. It's going to come down more to what colors look "right" to you.
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 22, 2011, 06:57:55 am ---We have to make some generalizations or else we won't be helpful. And in general, with cost taken out of the equation LED>LCD>Plasma.
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Yes because cost is rarely part of the equation when you're buying something. Plus tech is almost irrelevant in the argument given the TV deals you can get all day long. Best Buy has 32" LED panels for $250 and under. They're lower end brands and may be crap for all I know, but you're not gonna find a $250 plasma easily so your point doesn't make much sense regardless.
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 22, 2011, 06:57:55 am ---Let's put it this way, when you take 3 comparable tvs, one of them plasma, one of them lcd, and one of them led, there is a reason that the led will be the most expensive and the plasma will be the cheapest. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
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It will be most expensive now because it is the newest tech. That's how it works. Newest tech doesn't always mean the best, though as I said, LEDs are getting better and better and likely will be the better choice compared to plasmas in the long run.
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 22, 2011, 06:57:55 am ---Personally I like LCDs, right now they are in the "sweet spot" until the price of LED tvs go down. 80-90% of the consumers out there who buy a new tv buy a LCD and there is a reason for that. ;)
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And that reason is price... which you said to exclude from the argument a few lines up. :dunno
80-90% of consumers also won't bother to ask the questions asked in this thread and will just go to Walmart and buy the TV that's on sale for $199. No one is disputing that there are MORE LCDs out there than plasmas and LEDs, so your point isn't really that surprising. More LCDs = more LCD sales. That's called statistics... not proof of superiority
shmokes:
If I were buying a TV today it would hands down be plasma. Better colors. Way better blacks. WAY better blacks. The best panels you can buy today are Panasonic plasma panels (and that's only because Pioneer exited the Plasma TV market). Howard is wrong on this. And don't just take my word for it. Check out CNET's 2011 TV roundup.
That list is dominated by Plasma TVs, and you'll get lovely little quotes like this one regarding a Sony LED LCD:
--- Quote ---One of the best-performing LED-based LCDs we've ever tested, the expensive local-dimming Sony XBR-HX929 competes well with the top plasmas.
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Does that sound to you like Plasma has a problem being competitive with LCD these days?
shmokes:
By the way, the terminology being used in this thread is bugging me. LED and LCD are not two different things (unless you're talking about OLED screens). LED TVs are LCD. They are just lit with LEDs rather than fluorescent lights. It makes for better colors. But it's still an LCD panel. To say that LED is better than LCD is like saying fuel injection is better than internal combustion when you mean fuel injection is better than using a carburetor.
stu33:
In support of Plasma, I'd put my 4 year old 42" LG plasma (720p) up against pretty much any current-day LCD and it would compare favorably on similar content. It can't do the 1080p feeds, but it's 720p and 1080i is amazing.
Rando:
Some possibly outdated comments:
- Plasmas use more power
- Plasmas are heavier
When viewing sets in store, be aware that most have their colors jacked up to show brightnes, or at least the ones that they want to move at the time. Check reviews and such before going in because what you see in the store might not be accurate when comparing picture by picture. I like the Sony Bravia series for consistency.
Again to what I think was part of your original question, Superbowl time is best time to shop.
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