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2panther:
--- Quote from: drventure on June 19, 2012, 06:03:31 pm ---My recommendation.
Route out .5" from the underside, position the stick under there and mark where the holes need to be, then drill out and tap insert nuts into the MDF.
Drill the center hole for the stick
Then install the stick and use machine screws from the underside into the insert nuts to hold the stick in place.
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ok so I route 1/2" out where the entire plate will sit? then I drill the hole for the stick, got that part. Now those insert nuts, what keeps them from spinning in the mdf once I start screwing in the bolts to hold the joystick plate in? Maybe I'm just missing the mechanics of those insert nuts. What length would I need for the insert nuts? After routing out 1/2" I'd only have 1/4" left since I have 3/4" MDF, is that thick enough to take a beating of some spirited Street Fighter II gaming?
PL1 - great pics, thanks for them. From what I can see those are very similar to the insert nuts? With the mdf being 3/4" is the joystick length long enough or are the sticks short?
2panther:
I'm being a little crazy about this thread but I'm so close to completing my cabinet that I can hardly contain myself. I'm about to pull the trigger on two Seimitsu LS-32's and I'm not sure which mounting bracket I want. there is a flat plate and and a bent plate. It also says it's ideal for metal CP's which mine is obviously not. Am I barking up the wrong tree here? Should I go with another joystick all together?
PL1:
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---Now those insert nuts, what keeps them from spinning in the mdf once I start screwing in the bolts to hold the joystick plate in? Maybe I'm just missing the mechanics of those insert nuts.
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The threads on the outside of the insert are like the threads on a wood screw.
Think of the inserts as hollow wood screws with machine screw threads on the inside.
Once you tighten the inserts using a screwdriver for Dr. V's version or an allen wrench for GGG's, you mount the joystick to the underside of the panel using machine screws.
The friction between the MDF and insert is much greater than the friction between the insert and the machine screw. As long as you don't overtighten the inserts so much that they strip out the MDF, the inserts will stay right where they are when you firmly tighten or loosen the machine screws.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---From what I can see those are very similar to the insert nuts?
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The only differences are that Dr. V's has no collar and is tightened with a screwdriver, where GGG's has the collar at the top and is tightened with an allen wrench. The collar provides a positive stop at the surface of the MDF and a flat surface to tighten the machine screw against. Either one will work perfectly well.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---After routing out 1/2" I'd only have 1/4" left since I have 3/4" MDF, is that thick enough to take a beating of some spirited Street Fighter II gaming?
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I think that Dr. V will agree that for "spirited" play, a little more thickness won't hurt.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---With the mdf being 3/4" is the joystick length long enough or are the sticks short?
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Zippyys are physically the same size and shape as the LS-32s you mentioned earlier in the post so this applies:
--- Quote from: PL1 on June 19, 2012, 09:17:15 pm ---Routing not necessary for long shaft Zippyys. Even the short shaft Zippyy will reach -- with 1/10" clearance from the bottom of the ball to the washer resting on the MDF.
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Long shaft version clears by about .8" on 3/4 MDF with the GGG inserts shown above.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 01:50:08 pm ---I'm about to pull the trigger on two Seimitsu LS-32's and I'm not sure which mounting bracket I want.
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No need for a mounting bracket. The MDF and inserts provide the same function. Just be sure to get the long shaft version.
Scott
2panther:
--- Quote from: PL1 on June 20, 2012, 01:55:06 pm ---
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---Now those insert nuts, what keeps them from spinning in the mdf once I start screwing in the bolts to hold the joystick plate in? Maybe I'm just missing the mechanics of those insert nuts.
--- End quote ---
The threads on the outside of the insert are like the threads on a wood screw.
Think of the inserts as hollow wood screws with machine screw threads on the inside.
Once you tighten the inserts using a screwdriver for Dr. V's version or an allen wrench for GGG's, you mount the joystick to the underside of the panel using machine screws.
The friction between the MDF and insert is much greater than the friction between the insert and the machine screw. As long as you don't overtighten the inserts so much that they strip out the MDF, the inserts will stay right where they are when you firmly tighten or loosen the machine screws.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---From what I can see those are very similar to the insert nuts?
--- End quote ---
The only differences are that Dr. V's has no collar and is tightened with a screwdriver, where GGG's has the collar at the top and is tightened with an allen wrench. The collar provides a positive stop at the surface of the MDF and a flat surface to tighten the machine screw against. Either one will work perfectly well.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---After routing out 1/2" I'd only have 1/4" left since I have 3/4" MDF, is that thick enough to take a beating of some spirited Street Fighter II gaming?
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I think that Dr. V will agree that for "spirited" play, a little more thickness won't hurt.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 10:45:26 am ---With the mdf being 3/4" is the joystick length long enough or are the sticks short?
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Zippyys are physically the same size and shape as the LS-32s you mentioned earlier in the post so this applies:
--- Quote from: PL1 on June 19, 2012, 09:17:15 pm ---Routing not necessary for long shaft Zippyys. Even the short shaft Zippyy will reach -- with 1/10" clearance from the bottom of the ball to the washer resting on the MDF.
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Long shaft version clears by about .8" on 3/4 MDF with the GGG inserts shown above.
--- Quote from: 2panther on June 20, 2012, 01:50:08 pm ---I'm about to pull the trigger on two Seimitsu LS-32's and I'm not sure which mounting bracket I want.
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No need for a mounting bracket. The MDF and inserts provide the same function. Just be sure to get the long shaft version.
Scott
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thanks for all the answers. I went ahead and ordered the Zippyy's along with the mounting kit from GGG. Love this site.
Fred Smythe:
Great thread! I hope nobody minds if I ask a tangentially related question:
When I built my control panel several years ago (with a custom-built 3/4" MDF box), I mounted my (Vortex) spinner with (I think 2) plain' ol wood screws, so it's screwed directly into the MDF. Since recently I have wanted to take it out to address a slight chatter problem, I have realized that this was not the best design decision. :)
Do you think it would be possible to convert those wood screw holes to use these insert nuts without excessive routing or drilling? That way the spinner could easily go in or out as needed. I don't have a lot in the way of tools but I do have a Makita cordless impact hammer with a set of drill bits, so if I needed to do a tiny starter hole and then depend on the tap-in nut to do the rest, I could probably do that.
Thanks!
-- Chris