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Green Giant:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 05, 2012, 12:02:55 pm ---Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one. 

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You'll be back.  They always come back.


Unless you will be to busy watching the Real Housewives of **Insert Crappy City**

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on March 05, 2012, 12:29:58 pm ---
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 05, 2012, 12:02:55 pm ---I knew somebody was going to die.  The way they set it up I thought Carl was going to kill the boy in the barn. 


Just like when Otis died, this was poorly filmed/written as well, which pisses me off even more. 


First off, I don't kow anything about Zombie physics or anything but I've got to think that if you had an ENTIRE COW  to eat all to yourself you wouldn't be all to interested in some grizzly old man.  Also why was the zombie not setting there eating the cow?  What did he do?  Go to the trouble of tearing it open eat and single bite and wander off?

Speaking of tearing... I call B.S.  on the whole ripping Dale's chest open with it's bare hands.  Even if you ignore the fact that zombies are rotten corpses and therefore weaker than a normal person, this particular zombie was so weak that it was stopped by a couple of inches of mudd!  You can't rip apart someones stomach without a sharp object anyway.  It's too slick, your hands can't get a grip.  If he had bit into his stomach sure, but not like that.  I think the director had been watching too many Romero movies, which are kind of campy on purpose. 

The character was well-loved and the scene was emotional.... there was no reason to cheapen it with such a lame sight gag.


I officially hate Carl now, not just for killing Dale, but for being a little brat in a world where there's no room for such behavior.  In the comics he is a mature, likeable little boy. (Even if he is a borderline nut job.)  The writers on the show obviously haven't read the comics because this episode gave him nothing but "curious little boy" scenes.  Carl is NOT a little boy..... he's Carl damn it!



Anyway, I'll finish out the season, but I doubt I'll watch the next one. 

In the comics, the books got progressively worse after Dale died.  Considering the show isn't nearly as good as the books, I don't expect much at this point.

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I thought the same thing, I thought Carl was going to off the dude. Speaking of that, I think that was a stupid plot point to even rescue that dude in the first place. They have wasted 2 episodes dealing with this guy. What the hell did Rick think he was going to do with him anyway? He saved him, brought him to the farm, wasted medicine and supplies on him, then what?! Kinda dumb.

It kinda sucked about Dale, but he was getting a little annoying at the end anyway. His whole "let him live" speech was a little sappy.

Tell you the truth, I thought Shane was gonna die this episode. I understand on what youre saying Howard about the zombie tearing his guts open, but you have to keep in mind, he is an old man, Im sure that would make it easier to rip through. Not only that, but the zombie has the drive to tear into his stomach, who knows what kind of strength takes to do that. I thought the effect was cool nonetheless. I dont understand how Lori doesnt watch Carl. He went to spy on that randall dude, wandered off encountered the zombie, and almost walked in on Rick killing the dude. Its dumb, he is all over the place. Carol is annoying too. Like I mentioned, the main thing that irriatated me was the whole randall character in general. he isnt pleading his case either, they arent giving him any reason NOT to kill him. He hasnt said that he would denounce his other group, or NOT tell them where they are, or work with them etc.

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Nah man, Dale's speech was his finest hour!  That wasn't annoying it's the moral lesson that every fan of the show and the comics should be getting.  These things that Shane keeps saying are the "smart call" are in reality the cowardly and easy call.  You have to always do the right thing, which isn't the smart thing or the easy thing, merely the human thing.  If you survive at the expense of your humanity then there's no point in surviving. 

I'll glady admit that Rick bringing Darrell back to the farm was stupid, but the solution is NOT to kill the guy.  It's just like Dale said, he's probably a bad guy, there are 30 more bad guys back where he came from.  Killing him isn't really going to help their situation, they are already screwed, but killing him would make them immoral people and that's far worse than anything he could do to them, even if he breaks loose and hurts/kills some of them. 

I have no doubt that them saving the kid is going to bite them in the ass.... hard.  But you have to do it, it's the right thing to do.  That being said, why in the hell did they just turn around and go back to the farm with him in the episode before last?  There was a zombie attack sure.... so drive a few more hours down the road and drop him off somewhere else.  The dude just had an iron rod go through his leg... it isn't like he'll make it back to either his old group or the farm anytime soon. 

This is a problem I've had with the comics as well as the show.  Rick is good... but he's also stupid.  Shane is evil... and even more stupid.  The only two smart, moral, people are Dale and Glenn and nobody listens to Glenn. 

Green Giant:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on March 05, 2012, 06:47:59 pm ---Nah man, Dale's speech was his finest hour!  That wasn't annoying it's the moral lesson that every fan of the show and the comics should be getting.  These things that Shane keeps saying are the "smart call" are in reality the cowardly and easy call.  You have to always do the right thing, which isn't the smart thing or the easy thing, merely the human thing.  If you survive at the expense of your humanity then there's no point in surviving.  

I'll glady admit that Rick bringing Darrell back to the farm was stupid, but the solution is NOT to kill the guy.  It's just like Dale said, he's probably a bad guy, there are 30 more bad guys back where he came from.  Killing him isn't really going to help their situation, they are already screwed, but killing him would make them immoral people and that's far worse than anything he could do to them, even if he breaks loose and hurts/kills some of them.  

I have no doubt that them saving the kid is going to bite them in the ass.... hard.  But you have to do it, it's the right thing to do.  That being said, why in the hell did they just turn around and go back to the farm with him in the episode before last?  There was a zombie attack sure.... so drive a few more hours down the road and drop him off somewhere else.  The dude just had an iron rod go through his leg... it isn't like he'll make it back to either his old group or the farm anytime soon.  

This is a problem I've had with the comics as well as the show.  Rick is good... but he's also stupid.  Shane is evil... and even more stupid.  The only two smart, moral, people are Dale and Glenn and nobody listens to Glenn.  

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Assuming it isn't in the comics, I don't see the kid or his group being trouble on the farm.  Perhaps later down the road they might meet up, and at that point they will still have the kid as a hostage.  Then it could be a problem.

It was probably stupid and I am still shocked he just pulled the leg off.  I was expecting him to shoot the kid in the head and leave.  Ripping it off like that would have crippled randall.  I think if they lock him up for a few weeks and let him go, he won't be able to find his group even if he tries.  However taking randall back made sense after we found out he knew of the farm and the family that lived there.


I do still think there is one more moral ear left in the camp, Daryl.  I find everything he does on the show to be the most sensible while still remaining moral.

There is a line between Shane's ultra-survival mode and Dale's ultra-humanity mode, and the one walking that line so far is Daryl.  My only hope is that he takes over some more and leads them instead of abandoning them.

+1 for Daryl in my book.  

Plus it might even be possible that Daryl makes the first ever transition as an original character in a TV show based on a comic to the actual comic.

Donkbaca:
I am banking that something happens so that they leave the farm, at least I am hoping so, others it will just turn into some ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up little house on the prairie.
I think what is going to happen is that Randall's group invades the farm, and then Randall helps them escape, vindicating Dale.  There is no way that Dale dies and ends up being wrong about saving the kid.

It sucks that they killed Dale, he made everything much more interesting, though I did think he was annoying.

I think Darrell has no interest in being a leader, he's a follower, he doesn't like the responsibility of being in charge.  He hasn't shown any inclination of trying to take charge.

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