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RIP Amy Winehouse
Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---Both are tragedies, but at the end of the day when I hug my daughters and put them in bed, I know that I want them to emulate only one of those two people's actions and behaviors.
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I am sorry for your losses.
However, when you think about it, your friend... even while knowing he was going to probably die, had succeeded where most people fail. He had learned to appreciate the precious gift of life in all its glory.
Yes, its very sad he had to leave so early, and even unfair. However, his level of enlightenment and enjoyment of life as a result of his views, were something that someone like Amy never had... hence her pretty much intentional suicide.
If I pass early, I dont want others to pity me. As I too, am much like your friend. I have learned to love myself, and love life... where as once I was the very much the opposite. I could lose everything I have tomorrow, and while admittedly disappointed, would still manage to take a nice breath of air and consider it a gift. Out of all the things Ive done & accomplished in life, that is the thing I value the most. The only thing that really matters. I could pass tomorrow, and feel satisfied.
But people like Amy, who have no real clue... are trapped inside their own black tornado's. They cant see past their walls, cant hear anyone clearly, cant experience life in a positive way. They hence do not value it. Its these people who I feel much more sadness for. They are lost souls.
And as much as you see me argue with some of the local trolls here.. its those very people whom I also feel the most sadness for. And whom I hope that someday, will be able to break free, and attain higher enlightenment. (they of all people, need it the most)
While Im not a person of religion (Im spiritual, but do not follow any religion)... one thing that I recall hearing that was profound to this conversation... was a story about Jesus spending time talking to some woman who wasnt exactly proper. All these holy-rollers who were devoted and doing all the right things, were verbally upset that he spent so much time with her, calling her a wretch not worthy of anyones time or efforts. Basically, they were condemning her. Jesus was angered, and verbally and said that was the wrong attitude to have.
Jesus felt that it was far more important to spend time with people who needed it most, rather than those who were already well off. Hed spend time and talked to anyone, from thieves to prostitutes. Enjoying their company, but also hoping to instill a seed of good.. of 'love' in them. An internal strength that would grow, that would elevate them to be better.
Weather you believe in Jesus or the story itself, is irrelevant. The story makes it mark in the truth of the heart.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 25, 2011, 08:37:40 pm --- And as much as you see me argue with some of the local trolls here.. its those very people whom I also feel the most sadness for. And whom I hope that someday, will be able to break free, and attain higher enlightenment. (they of all people, need it the most)
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To my mind, the person who is quickest to place arbitrary labels on others, without knowing them or ever even approaching the depth of their lives, is the one who should be pitied the most.
--- Quote ---Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life.
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Xiaou2:
If I act out as a troll, I expect to be thought of and called a troll. I dont know why anyone would argue that point.
Btw, Keep your curses to yourself. They wont work on me.
Vigo:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 26, 2011, 01:49:39 am ---If I act out as a troll, I expect to be thought of and called a troll. I dont know why anyone would argue that point.
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Because you are the one doing the labeling and calling these people trolls. You are passing judgement on others, yet you claim to be more highly enlightened than them. Just because you expect others to label you a troll if you were in that situation does not justify that you call them a troll now.
You should take a look at the story you cited of Jesus and the woman again. The point wasn't about Jesus feeling sad that the woman didn't reach higher enlightenment or break free of her ways, rather, the point was that Jesus simply saw her as a human life. He did not label her, but befriended her and wanted that others would not see her as that label either. He was upset that people who saw themselves as virtuous were in essence calling her a skank.
I'm definitely not an enlightened and philosophical man, but I think that when you label and judge a person without knowing them, you are falling victim to the same kind of judgmental attitude that you are preaching against.
danny_galaga:
--- Quote from: saint on July 25, 2011, 08:34:42 pm ---My 2 bits:
I can feel compassion for someone while still believing they have dug their own grave. I don't have a limited supply of it that can only be doled out to a few people. I don't know what brought her to self destruction, but even though it was clearly self destruction it's sad to see. I've never understood "it's their fault so I won't feel sorry for them."
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+1. I must admit when Kurt Cobain topped himself, I didn't feel sorry for him at all. But I've changed some since then...
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