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danny_galaga:

From my own experience I can say this: I used to date a woman who was an ex-junkie. I learnt a lot from her. From about the age of 11 her father abused her until at 13 she had enough and ran away from home, ending up on the streets. First marijuana, then heroin came into her life. Since she was smart and well educated to that point, she got her supplies by selling, rather than being a hooker. Finally, her mum discovered the awful truth and came and rescued her (she had moved to another state) after divorcing her husband. Next 20 years were a real roller coaster for her. For instance she got her ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- together and got a well paying job. What sort of job did she get? Currency trader in London, in the 80's. I can't think of a time or place or occupation where drugs were more readily available, can you? Point is, she wasn't doing it to just be cool. It was to mask the pain of her childhood. Amy, who knows? Who can say if she was traumatised by something or not. Who are we to judge?

I am saddened though that there is all this talk about one person, yet hardly anything about the Norwegian gun spree. Is there even a thread here?

Malenko:
The Macho Man dying was a tragedy , Amy Winehouse dying early was an enviably.

X2, wheres you compassionate posts for everyone else (famous) who died? I'm not happy she's dead but to say its unexpected is ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---. She chose to do what she did, and these are the consequences of those choices. Don't even bring up rehab and all the other mess, if she wasn't dumb enough to try heroine the first time, she wouldn't have needed help.

Mikezilla:

--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on July 24, 2011, 04:57:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 24, 2011, 03:28:12 pm --- If you dont have compassion for your fellow man or woman, why should anyone care about you, at the time you need people the most?

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I have all kinds of compassion for my fellow man and woman, which is why I wouldn't say those things if she was still alive.  Now that she's gone, theres no point in wallowing in sorrow for her.  Sure, she might have had a hard life, but guess what, a lot of people have a hard life and turn out fine (from the stories you've told, you should know this better then most), and most of those people who turn out fine don't have a boatload of cash and tons of friends to support them.  She had everything going for her and showed zero interest in bettering herself even when everyone around her begged her to, and now that she's gone theres no reason to feel sorry for her.

Sometimes your purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

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I agree with Atomsmasher. I didnt really know who she was, so I did some research on it, and you guys pretty much said it all: she had a hit song 4 years ago about mocking people about telling her she should go to rehab, then she OD's. Gimme a break.  ::) I dont respect people that die of drug over doses. Its a choice. I dont care what kind of drug it is, it could be crack, cocaine, heroine, or even painkillers and prescription drugs. Part of being a "compassionate person" (Im looking at you X2) is realizing what kind of impact your passing would have on other peoples lives. Its just kind of annoying, all these people posting stuff on Facebook about how great of artist she was, and Lady Gaga said she "changed music forever". Really? Changed music forever from some ---smurfy--- pop song from 4 years ago. The ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- people say when people die...

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 24, 2011, 08:03:50 pm ---
--- Quote ---I just believe in self-responsiblity.
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--- Quote ---and didn't have friends or family trying to help
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Those two statements conflict.
 
 If you believe in self responsibility, then in a way, you dont believe anyone should help you.  In the way in which you have responded, that indeed is the way you view things.

 And because you are strong enough to be able to handle yourself without help from others... it works just fine 'for you'.  And is very easy to cast the opposing view onto others less fortunate in 'internal strength'.

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Actually, they don't conflict at all and, in fact, the reality of why it is so hard for people to overcome things like addiction, despite all of the help of people around them, is that people don't take that responsibility for themselves and their actions. Having love and support around you is not what overcomes addiction -- that requires an internally-generated response and commitment to get clean. Love and support can make it easier to cope with and can be instrumental in getting people to the point where they take responsibility for themselves, but on their own are not enough to overcome addiction.

Amy's passing is sad and somewhat tragic given the support and love that she was shown, but she was the only one who could save herself.


--- Quote ---Don't be mean -- we don't have to be mean. Remember -- no matter where you go, there you are.
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Vigo:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on July 25, 2011, 11:58:46 am ---
--- Quote from: AtomSmasher on July 24, 2011, 04:57:20 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 24, 2011, 03:28:12 pm --- If you dont have compassion for your fellow man or woman, why should anyone care about you, at the time you need people the most?

--- End quote ---
I have all kinds of compassion for my fellow man and woman, which is why I wouldn't say those things if she was still alive.  Now that she's gone, theres no point in wallowing in sorrow for her.  Sure, she might have had a hard life, but guess what, a lot of people have a hard life and turn out fine (from the stories you've told, you should know this better then most), and most of those people who turn out fine don't have a boatload of cash and tons of friends to support them.  She had everything going for her and showed zero interest in bettering herself even when everyone around her begged her to, and now that she's gone theres no reason to feel sorry for her.

Sometimes your purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

--- End quote ---

I agree with Atomsmasher. I didnt really know who she was, so I did some research on it, and you guys pretty much said it all: she had a hit song 4 years ago about mocking people about telling her she should go to rehab, then she OD's. Gimme a break.  ::) I dont respect people that die of drug over doses. Its a choice. I dont care what kind of drug it is, it could be crack, cocaine, heroine, or even painkillers and prescription drugs. Part of being a "compassionate person" (Im looking at you X2) is realizing what kind of impact your passing would have on other peoples lives. Its just kind of annoying, all these people posting stuff on Facebook about how great of artist she was, and Lady Gaga said she "changed music forever". Really? Changed music forever from some ---smurfy--- pop song from 4 years ago. The ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- people say when people die...

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Agreed 100%. It's pretty refreshing that most people here still believe in personal responsibility. I hate hearing the BS about how "society let her down" or that the "systems were not in place" to save her. At the end of the day, if someone kills themselves with drugs, they are the ones at fault. Family and friends and fluffy unicorns might make rehab easier, but it still remains that nobody will ever turn their life around until they realize that they are solely responsible for their actions and the future they make of it.

On a side note, my boss decided that today is Amy Winehouse day, and she will be looping her amy winehouse CD all day.  :banghead: I will be working with my headphones on.

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