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Decent 10" Android tablet for around $300? Is it possible?
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: Donkbaca on July 19, 2011, 04:22:20 pm ---Cool, then answer me this question.
Here are three major advantages the ipad has with regards to apps:
1) market penetration, you are probably more likely to make apps for the ipad than you are for the android. If it is easy to port them over, then perhaps you make apps for both. What does this mean? That there unless android becomes more popular than the Ios, which isn't happening anytime soon, there will be apps on the Ipad that are not available on the android. That is my guess, doesn't make sense to develop an exclusive app for a second place OS.
2) The app store, hands down easieist software buying experience anywhere, ever.
3) The problem with bringing android apps to markets, other than an app store, is this: there are too many android devices and platforms. So, who cares if your android tab has a super great screen, unless there are apps that take advantage of this, that advantage is useless. There are several versions of android running around, they are not perfectly compatible. On top of that you have several devices, all with different hardware specs. This means that if I am an app developer, in order to have the most sales, I am designing my app around the most vanilla of all android devices. Whereas, with the Ipad you have one device you are designing for. Makes a huge difference.
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Answer:
--- Quote from: Dartful Dodger on July 19, 2011, 04:09:20 pm ---I develop apps for Blackberry, iPhone and Android.
The reasons that iPhone people are saying Android can't compete with iPhone, are the same reasons Blackberry users said iPhone couldn't compete with Blackberry.
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Here were three major advantages the Blackberry with regards to apps:
1) market penetration, you are probably more likely to make apps for the Blackberry than you are for the iPhone. If it is easy to port them over, then perhaps you make apps for both. What does this mean? That there unless iPad becomes more popular than the Blackberry OS, which isn't happened in less than three years, there will be apps on the Blackberry that are not available on the iPhone. That is my guess, doesn't make sense to develop an exclusive app for a second place OS.
2) The Blackberry store, hands down is the easiest software buying experience anywhere.
3) The problem with Bringing iPad apps to the market, other than the strict app store guidelines is that there are too many medias on the iPhone device. So who cares if your iPhone can take photos, play music and videos. People just want to make calls send texts and check emails with their phone. The iPhone does too much and there are too many options. Whereas, with the Blackberry you have only a few functions you are designing for. Makes a huge difference.
Dartful Dodger:
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on July 19, 2011, 04:43:47 pm ---Seeing this a lot and, as a long-time Blackberry user (before phones were smart), it saddens me, but RIM has so totally dropped the ball. We have dropped the development that we had planned for BB this year.
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Cheer up Cheffo,
BB will be adding an Android emulator to its OS.
So your BB will still be able to play our new Android apps long after we've stopped developing for iPhone.
;)
Donkbaca:
Here were three major advantages the Blackberry with regards to apps:
--- Quote ---1) market penetration, you are probably more likely to make apps for the Blackberry than you are for the iPhone. If it is easy to port them over, then perhaps you make apps for both. What does this mean? That there unless iPad becomes more popular than the Blackberry OS, which isn't happened in less than three years, there will be apps on the Blackberry that are not available on the iPhone. That is my guess, doesn't make sense to develop an exclusive app for a second place OS
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You can't compare phones to tablets. They are two different markets. Aside from that the Iphone marketed itself as something distinctly different from the blackberry; as a consumer device. When it first came out it was an ipod with a phone and a few apps. That is something that people overlook, the thing is also an iPod, the most succesful portable music device, ever. The blackberry always marketed itself as a business-first device. Even as Apple overtook them in phone sales, they tried to hold on to that business niche. The ipod interface is much more simple and itnuitive. The iphone was a completely different device compared to the BB. Smartphones and tablets coming out now, are basically copying the iphone/ipad with minor tweaks: bigger screen, better camera, etc. They offer nothing in terms of experience or interface that is different from the Ipad. Sure there are some things they may do better and some capabilities they have that may be superior, but they fail in one key area; content, and content is what matters most. Its why people bought VHS over betamax, why HD DVD caved to Blu ray, its why laser discs never caught on. Heck, its the main reason people buy PC's instead of Mac's. Its all about what you can actually do with the device, not what the device could theoretically do if properly supported.
--- Quote ---2) The Blackberry store, hands down is the easiest software buying experience anywhere.
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I respectfully disagree, i tunes and the app store are by far the most consumer friendly experiences, a couple of taps and you are done.
--- Quote ---3) The problem with Bringing iPad apps to the market, other than the strict app store guidelines is that there are too many medias on the iPhone device. So who cares if your iPhone can take photos, play music and videos. People just want to make calls send texts and check emails with their phone. The iPhone does too much and there are too many options. Whereas, with the Blackberry you have only a few functions you are designing for. Makes a huge difference.
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This makes no sense. So you are comparing medias to completely different form factors, hardware specifications and operating systems? Seriously? You are seriously doing this? What does medias have to do with making an app? Are you saying, that if you wanted to, say, make a photo app, that having a music player on there to somehow complicates this? Now you are just being silly. On the android, if you are designing a photo app you have to keep in mind different cameras, different resolutions that are displayed on the screen, different speed processors, different os platforms, etc.... You are saying that that problem is analagous to having multiple capabilities on the same device? Really? Seriously?
I am not saying that the android can't compete with the Ipad, I am just saying that these are real problems and advantages that the ipad has RIGHT NOW, and in order for android to be succesful, it has to be BETTER than apple at all of these things, or offer up something compelling that consumers would be willing to pay for that Apple doesn't because apple has a huge head start and all things being equal I think most consumers would choose the Apple product.
If for 50 bucks more you can get a device that has 10 times the content available on it, all else being equal, why would you chose the device that has less support?
You know what? Nobody cares about the strict app guidelines. Really, I don't care. All I care is what is available on the phone. The app guidelines is a developer issue that consumers really don't care about, and the hundreds of thousands of apps available show that a lot of developers don't care either. Is it a complication? A pain in the ass for people that make apps? Sure. Is it preventing great content from reaching the consumer? No.
The whole laissez faire, open source, no restirctions thing is just something that consumers really, really could care less about.
knave:
I don't believe that more content available is that big of an advantage for the ipad. If the ipad had one million apps and android has one hundred thousand that's still 999,975 more than I'll ever download. I don't care as long as the apps I use are available.
AtomSmasher:
--- Quote from: Donkbaca on July 19, 2011, 06:00:26 pm ---I respectfully disagree, i tunes and the app store are by far the most consumer friendly experiences, a couple of taps and you are done.
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A couple of taps, then connect your phone to your computer, fire up itunes, sync phone with itunes, and you are done. It's baffling to me how some apps require you to connect to itunes to download and install.
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