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Is your cab connected?

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Can your cab connect to the internet?
« on: July 06, 2011, 10:20:25 am »
Both my machines have all services relating to networking disabled in hopes of gaining a sliver more speed.
Am I really gaining anything?

I've read where some of you VPN to do maintenance.
(that sounds nicer than squinting at an s-video connection and using a trackball as a mouse)

Anyone have their cabs connected for online play?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 10:39:19 am »
My cab runs Linux and has no keyboard or mouse attached.

The only way I administrate my machine is over the network via SSH. I often do so from my desk at work, so yes, it is very much attached to the internet.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 12:06:28 pm »
no internet/lan access for me. I'd like my Mame machines to stay virus free.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 12:08:56 pm »
My cab currently connects wirelessly because it's new and I'm still performing updates and such to MALA, ROMs, etc.  As I get more stabilized and final I may turn access off so that it's 100% used as an arcade and not a backup PC.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 12:32:17 pm »
I have mine hooked up wirelessly to my home network for maintenance and file transfers. The AtomicFE folder on it is mapped on my main computer so I just have to turn it on in order to drop in new files.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 01:23:53 pm »
Same as LeapinLew, networked for the time being  but as everything becomes stable and setups finalized, I'll probably unplug except for specific maintenance/upgrade sessions. 

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 01:32:20 pm »
no internet/lan access for me. I'd like my Mame machines to stay virus free.

Hahaha what is your Mame cab doing to get viruses?! No doubt playing those naughty mahjong games while you're away.. :D

I don't have network on mine. A pain at times, but mitigated with a USB extension cable for maintenance.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 01:41:04 pm »
no internet/lan access for me. I'd like my Mame machines to stay virus free.

+1

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 02:24:32 pm »
While I can follow the logic, I find it interesting that so many people seem to think that the only way to keep a computer virus free is to keep it off of the internet.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 02:36:45 pm »
While I can follow the logic, I find it interesting that so many people seem to think that the only way to keep a computer virus free is to keep it off of the internet.

The only guaranteed way...


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 02:42:40 pm »
While I can follow the logic, I find it interesting that so many people seem to think that the only way to keep a computer virus free is to keep it off of the internet.

The only guaranteed way...



Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. I mean, sure, if you use your cabinet to browse around you have a chance, but just connecting to the internet without doing anything isn't going to get you a virus. I don't really know why a cabinet would need to be on the internet though?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 02:48:50 pm »
I like to play Dungeon fighter online on my MAME cab




I reminds me of my favorite 2D beat them up “Streets of Rage” Plus it’s online and you can gear your self and group with other people, it’s the best of both worlds.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 02:53:12 pm »
While I can follow the logic, I find it interesting that so many people seem to think that the only way to keep a computer virus free is to keep it off of the internet.

For me it's either disconnect the mame machine, or have an extra beefy machine and keep it updated.

If you've never had a microsoft update crash your machine, or a bad AV definition pack cause your machine to slow down to a crawl, you may not understand it. It's a trade off. I have plenty of machines that I have to keep up with virus definitions, service packs, application patches, etc, I don't want to create more work for myself by having to update arcade machines and troubleshoot them when there is a problem.

5 of my machines are using Windows XP, no service packs (or SP1, I can't remember).


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 02:54:58 pm »
Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection.

A lot of the nasty worms connect to your machine and don't need the user or computer to do anything but be connected. 

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 03:30:24 pm »

A lot of the nasty worms connect to your machine and don't need the user or computer to do anything but be connected. 

I've heard another tech say this, but I've never seen any such thing. Any major ISP should have a firewall to prevent this from happening solely by connecting to their service. If they didn't, they'd be liable for a phat lawsuit.

Though I do agree with not connecting for slow-down / update nagging. Like I said, mine isn't connected.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 03:34:23 pm »
I've heard another tech say this, but I've never seen any such thing. Any major ISP should have a firewall to prevent this from happening solely by connecting to their service. If they didn't, they'd be liable for a phat lawsuit.

Its a slippery slope for an ISP to decide what can access the network and what can't. I'd say if they started blocking any traffic they would be more liable for a lawsuit than by blocking none. Right now, they provide a fully open pipe to the internet. You've never heard of Conficker or Nimda?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 03:37:41 pm »
I worry more about getting viruses from the hacks and cracks that I have to download from shady sources every time I buy a new PC game to put on my cab.
(of course, they can't be sending personal information if they aren't connected to anything)

If it were connected, it's not like I'd be browsing with it or have automatic updates turned on.

I don't really know why a cabinet would need to be on the internet though?

I was considering re-enabling all the networking stuff to download the new street fighter game from capcom so I wouldn't have to bother with a no-cd crack.
I know it's probably going to be one error message after another about all the services I have disabled though.
If I bother re-enabling all of them, I'll probably just leave them on so I can set things up to do maintenance from my main PC.
Running up and down the stairs because I forgot a file or forgot to unzip a file is getting old (they don't even have winzip installed, lol)

Also been thinking about giving iracing a try on the driving cab even though I suck at sim racing.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 04:07:22 pm »
You mean through steam? I wouldn't. As far as I know, those need network connections / steam access. Street Fighter 4 is pretty awesome on my cab though, I have to say. Wasn't interested in it at all on xbox.

Lew : I have heard of them, both of them require outgoing "hand shaking" streams.
Conficker was close to what you were saying, but it attacked corporations / registered domains. Nimda was spread the standard way : emails, websites, files.
A virus would have to ping random Ips to get someone just by logging on. I suppose by random chance you could be infected before it was stopped, but a person spreading a virus wouldn't typically do this because it would quickly be detected and precautions would be taken against it before it could cause much damage.

I'm not saying it's impossble, just saying in my years I have never seen it. I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 04:12:21 pm »
Mine's not. If I need anything I bring a memory stick over and do it that way. I have an LCD screen on it so it's easy to see the screen, but not arcade authentic.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2011, 05:20:38 pm »
That dungeon fighter looks sweet!

Not planning on having the cab connected, though I am planning on connecting the xbox for XBL

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2011, 05:46:58 pm »
No net access on mine. I actually had all 3 MAME cabs on the net before building my game room, but after moving them out there they are not networked. I occasionally add a ROM or something with a flash drive, but that is so rare that doing it that way isn't a hassle.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2011, 05:57:35 pm »
Yes

My frontend (GameEx) has links to two radio stations, an inbuilt weather forecast viewer,  a inbuilt RSS viewer and a link to Google, which by using a Firefox add-on called full-fullscreen (which forced firefox into fullscreen mode),an on-screen keyboard and my touch screen - is a fantastic feature.


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2011, 07:13:57 pm »
Mine is on my network. That way I can log in from any computer in the house and configure it when I want. Now that I have an LCD, it is not as big of an issue though. I still don't see any reason to disconnect it though. I don't have too many problems keeping any of the computers up and running. I haven't had a bad virus for a few years. the last one did take out the hard drive on the cab computer though. It was a good excuse to upgrade. :)

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2011, 08:16:58 pm »
I have an 802.11n USB dongle plugged into the front panel.  Makes it easy to fire up Space Paranoids for that groovy Tron stick goodness.  

It's a Hackintosh build, so random virus infections aren't a pressing concern.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2011, 08:29:33 pm »
Mines connected wireless full time when it's turned on, no real need for it sept for the semi regular SSF4:AE online match-up, I can see people's reasoning for not wanting to have their Cab's connected but for me in all my years of using the internet from dialing in to MBBS boards to right this second, I've only ever had 1 major virus and have never had an issue with Microsoft updates/service packages..ect.  So for me I don't feel there really is much of a risk.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2011, 08:48:06 pm »
With internet connectivity and autohotkey, you could map one of your admin buttons to order a large sausage and mushroom from Papa Johns.   >:D

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2011, 08:58:16 pm »
With internet connectivity and autohotkey, you could map one of your admin buttons to order a large sausage and mushroom from Papa Johns.   >:D

Imagine showing that "feature" off at your next house party LOL

"yea joe check out this new feature i built in" and you have a button labeled Papa Johns, ---smurfette---!

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2011, 09:17:59 pm »
Lew : I have heard of them, both of them require outgoing "hand shaking" streams.
Conficker was close to what you were saying, but it attacked corporations / registered domains. Nimda was spread the standard way : emails, websites, files.
A virus would have to ping random Ips to get someone just by logging on. I suppose by random chance you could be infected before it was stopped, but a person spreading a virus wouldn't typically do this because it would quickly be detected and precautions would be taken against it before it could cause much damage.

I have no idea what versions of conficker you have seen, but all it takes is an unpatched system on the same network as an infected system. No outward bound handshake required. Which means, if someone hops on my wifi with an infected machine or plugs into my network, my machine could be compromised in no time. It does more than just attack corporation domains. It fills up the task scheduler with small jobs and eventually takes up all available system memory and brings the system to a crawl.

I've been fighting it for over a year and it totally sucks. I have no reason to connect my Mame computers to the network/internet. If I wanted to play some online game with one of my cabinets, I would have to do a lot of patching, but I wouldn't not do it. I'd just have to take a lot of precautions that I don't have to do now.

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I'm not saying it's impossble, just saying in my years I have never seen it. I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.
If you want to see it in action. Put an unpatched Windows XP system straight on the internet with no firewall, service packs, antivirus and a real IP.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2011, 09:44:22 pm »
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I'm not saying it's impossble, just saying in my years I have never seen it. I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.
If you want to see it in action. Put an unpatched Windows XP system straight on the internet with no firewall, service packs, antivirus and a real IP.
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but who would do that anyway?, I mean honestly I think we as a hobby industry have come far enophe that even the beginner collector/restore/custom mame cab, will know at least that you never put an unpatched unprotected system on the internet. One of the very reason's I've never had many virus issue's unlike ALOT of my friends is that i keep by virus protection up to date, i keep windows up to date and i don't do anything stupid, I don't download/open an e-mail that i don't know, i don't visit any random porn sites...ect.

And when I do very rarely get a virus I just format and restore from a 3mo offline backup. Internet safety isn't all that hard people

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2011, 09:59:36 pm »
The thing that has prevented my most from having my mame pc connected was its proximity to the router.  Now that I have another ethernet cable I can plug it in.  At least when its not connected to the xbox360.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2011, 10:03:07 pm »
but who would do that anyway?, I mean honestly I think we as a hobby industry have come far enophe that even the beginner collector/restore/custom mame cab, will know at least that you never put an unpatched unprotected system on the internet. One of the very reason's I've never had many virus issue's unlike ALOT of my friends is that i keep by virus protection up to date, i keep windows up to date and i don't do anything stupid, I don't download/open an e-mail that i don't know, i don't visit any random porn sites...ect.

Well, my point was a system can get infected if you do nothing. To keep a system "safe" you have to patch the OS, applications as well as run antivirus software. Which means you not only have to spend more time keeping your mame machine online and functioning properly, you run into the risk of a patch or software update which breaks the computer thus causing even more maintenance. To me, it's all about setting up a machine and forgetting about it.

One of the very reason's I've never had many virus issue's
Internet safety isn't all that hard people
that made me  :laugh2:

If it was easy you would have had NO virus/malware issues. It's a never ending battle and you have to keep up on the latest rules of what you can and can't do. It's not impossible, but to act as if it's as easy is ridiculous.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2011, 10:08:17 pm »
If you want to see it in action. Put an unpatched Windows XP system straight on the internet with no firewall, service packs, antivirus and a real IP.

How long should I keep it on for? At what time could I turn it off and say this test is done? I have a spare laptop. I can install Windows Xp (Not even SP1!), nothing else, and plug it directly into the cable modem.

Given an infinite amount of time, an infinite amount of monkeys can write Shakespeare, apparently, but what if they had a timeframe? The test is impossible, because if I leave it for a day, or a week, You'll say I didn't leave it on long enough.

Plus, I don't really want to take up my internet with a lame experiment for a week! :P

Which means, if someone hops on my wifi with an infected machine or plugs into my network, my machine could be compromised in no time.
So you're saying the infection risk is something more localized? Like a local person attacking?

I've gotten some viruses in my time, don't misunderstand, but it was from digging around on the internet looking at stuff I shouldn't be. I just don't think virus attacks are a huge problem for individuals.

@kalars123
The problem with all that patching and virus scanning is that people want their MAME pcs as clean and fast as possible. I wouldn't put Mcafee on my Mame PC. But I also don't really see a point of having a MAME cab on the internet.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2011, 10:42:18 pm »
@scothe7seas

I agree that there really isn't any need for a cabinet to be on the net, before SSF4:AE i only connected mine to the network for quick updates but had internet access rejected via my router, so it was connected internally only.  But now with SSF4, it's connected just like any of my other computers it patched and completely up to date, only difference is I don't do any web browsing on it, and i have all ports blocked to except those needed for SSF4 and GFWL.

@Leapinlew
no what you describe would be "no internet safety needed", and it's not an never ending battle at least not on my end, that's why I pay company's for their software so the never ending battle is on their end, for the average joe consumer internet safety is a joke just follow your common sense keep your software/virus protection up to date, and you won't have an issue, and the only time you will have an issue is when you doing or looking at something on the net that 1. you probably shouldn't be doing anyways, 2. is illegal in your state/country.  It's that simple no amount of arguing or saying conficker is the devil is going to change it.

Like I have said I completely understand people not hooking their cabs to the net, I also just want to set it and forget it without having to worry about updating/patching..ect  But I also don't want people to think "and there a few people out there somewhere that will" that if they do connect their cab to the net that some how a virus is going to magically find it's way into their home network and steal all your financial data. Because the likelihood of that happening almost zero.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2011, 11:00:28 pm »
My machine's currently connected to my home network and thus the internet.  I'm planning on having it setup wirelessly once it goes in my cab.  Mainly for maintenance?  (can't spell LOL).  The only thing I would use the internet then for is maybe the high score sharing thing Torino is thinking about/working on.  Either way with the wireless I can turn it on and off at will so no biggie to me.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2011, 11:28:25 pm »
For me it's either disconnect the mame machine, or have an extra beefy machine and keep it updated.

+1.  Not going to connect any machine (cab-dedicated or otherwise) to the internet and not have Norton running in the background, and that means accepting frequent updates, allowing scans to take place, and relinquishing some resources to the antivirus program at all times.  The kinds of machines I use in my cabs, I need all the resources dedicated to the games.  If I need to apply an update of some kind, and that's rare once I get a cab set up, I do it with a USB thumb drive, using files which were scanned for viruses on another machine.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2011, 11:40:22 pm »
I got a question, it's seems a reoccurring thing here is that people don't want to connect their cabs to the net because they don't want to use a A/V program to use up resources.

Whats the average specs of all your builds? Is A/V really going to sap that much from your system as to make ANY game unplayable? I'm not asking this for anything but plain curiosity, I just recently build what i consider a fairly low end system for my hybrid Mame/Jamma UMK3 machine and it was just a couple hundred bucks.

AMD Athlon 2 X2 3ghz
4gig ram
ATI HD4890
appropriate cheepie jetway Mobo
650w P/S
1TB WD green HD
that was if i remember right like ~$350
and it runs SSF4:AE at 200+fps with everything maxed I can't belive a A/V program would tax it that much.

Unless your using a Pentium 4 with 1gig or less ram i can't see a A/V program being that much of an issue except maybe annoying pop ups.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2011, 12:16:56 am »
My Maricab is connected to my network wirelessly to transfer music and updates... my cab is a jukebox as well. so i tranfer new purchases via mylaptop to Mari.  I have a wireless mouse and keyboard for her, and I have chrome as an exe loadable in hyperspin...... I check my mail and this forum every night on it then play some turf masters, and moon patrol:)   Hell this very post is being written on my arcade machine:) best thing I ever built,  ........ the whole family loves it.  EVEN MY WIFE ..... I have to wait to use my own machine... I am thinking about making another one:)  okay back to the internet topic,  I have panda antivirus..... Very good because it is so light and takes hardly no memory resources, I have had NO issues or bugs with my internet cab........


In fact I am getting ready to make a new maricab for a customer, and one key selling point was it was a wi fi enabled device:) her kids liked how they could see if a new message was comming through on  "facebook" when they were playing frogger.......:).....   ML

 I have had no issue at all and I would recomend it for anyone who has a jukebox build:)   just my 2cents:)

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2011, 12:44:52 am »

...set it and forget it...


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2011, 12:56:11 am »
Whats the average specs of all your builds? Is A/V really going to sap that much from your system as to make ANY game unplayable?

Those are around my specs (2.9Ghz X3 in the regular setup, 3.2Ghz X2 in the driving cab.....around $250 in each).
It took a LOT of tweaking to get California Speed to stay in the 90-100%.
I'm confident it would be unplayable with AV, automatic updates, auto restore, etc. running.
(No desire to undo all my tweaking to test it)

There have also been a couple threads where people with faster systems couldn't get CarnEvil running without sound skips.
Yet it works flawlessly for me (with a 32bit OS no less).  They say they've tried tweaking everything in MAME.
I believe the difference was that I have nothing unnecessary for emulation running in the background.

Keep in mind that you built recently (as did I) and those parts weren't as cheap years ago when others built their cabs.
...and the bargain parts at that time weren't as fast.

A lot of cabs started out as a way of putting an outdated computer to use.
I built one last month using a 600mhz celeron.  
That thing needed all the help it could get just to make it to the mid 80's games.
Forget about AV.



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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2011, 01:54:50 am »
@badmouth

Agreed i can see an issue with people have system's in their cabs a few years old, or those putting a retired rig back into service, but for people building now, parts are really cheap i just don't think system performance should be a deciding factor "at least for current system builders" for hooking their cab up to the net is all.  As Lastrega said there are A/V program's with very small footprints you could run on a minimalist system without an a problem.  And to think of it I've never tried running CarnEvil after updating for internet connectivity it ran 100% when it was a closed system I'll have to try now and see if there's much difference, and I don't have any driving game rom's because i don't have a wheel, I have though ALOT about building or converting a cockpit, but frankly I just don't have any room for one and can't see me having any room for it, in the near future :( 

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2011, 04:25:17 am »
While I can follow the logic, I find it interesting that so many people seem to think that the only way to keep a computer virus free is to keep it off of the internet.

NO, but it's the easiest way. And some of us might get in a spot of bother from certain corporations should we hook up to the net and accidentally update ;)


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2011, 07:40:26 am »
If you want to see it in action. Put an unpatched Windows XP system straight on the internet with no firewall, service packs, antivirus and a real IP.

How long should I keep it on for? At what time could I turn it off and say this test is done? I have a spare laptop. I can install Windows Xp (Not even SP1!), nothing else, and plug it directly into the cable modem.

Given an infinite amount of time, an infinite amount of monkeys can write Shakespeare, apparently, but what if they had a timeframe? The test is impossible, because if I leave it for a day, or a week, You'll say I didn't leave it on long enough.

Do me a favor, don't put words in my mouth.

Just give it a night, but before you do this, you should lookup how long the average infection time is for an unprotected system on the internet. You should have conficker or MSBlast in no time.

Honestly, I don't care if you think a virus can infect you or not, just because you are an individual. I know they can infect your machine without you doing anything to get them. It's happened to me. Just because something doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2011, 08:16:51 am »
Infection time for a unprotected XP system (without service packs) is very small (I think it's within hours). But most pc's are not directly connected to the internet, but are behind some sort of NAT router which will stop direct attacks.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2011, 08:29:49 am »
Infection time for a unprotected XP system (without service packs) is very small (I think it's within hours). But most pc's are not directly connected to the internet, but are behind some sort of NAT router which will stop direct attacks.

Agreed. However, I'm just trying to demonstrate that you don't have to actively do something to get infected and if you run a network in your home where people connect (via wifi or wire) you can expose your machine very easily. scofthe7seas is under the impression that you have to do something for your machine to get infected and it's simply not true. For the record, I have no ill feelings towards Scofthe7seas. I don't appreciate him saying I would say something, but I'm not mad about it.

This relates to MAME cabs being connected to the internet since you would have to do extra maintenance on the arcade cabinet to ensure it's up to date and not vulnerable to the latest worms which could impact the machines performance.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2011, 08:49:22 am »
@Leapinlew
no what you describe would be "no internet safety needed", and it's not an never ending battle at least not on my end, that's why I pay company's for their software so the never ending battle is on their end, for the average joe consumer internet safety is a joke just follow your common sense keep your software/virus protection up to date, and you won't have an issue, and the only time you will have an issue is when you doing or looking at something on the net that 1. you probably shouldn't be doing anyways, 2. is illegal in your state/country.  It's that simple no amount of arguing or saying conficker is the devil is going to change it.

Like I have said I completely understand people not hooking their cabs to the net, I also just want to set it and forget it without having to worry about updating/patching..ect  But I also don't want people to think "and there a few people out there somewhere that will" that if they do connect their cab to the net that some how a virus is going to magically find it's way into their home network and steal all your financial data.

You're part of the problem. People think they are safe cause they spent $40 on a program to protect them. If it were SO easy, I would be out of a job. I'm glad you only get a few viruses, and your buddies get a lot more. Good for you.

Sorry dude, the rules for how to avoid phishing attacks keep changing as phishers get more sophisticated. The rules on what software to protect you keeps changing. The rules for how to behave on the internet keep changing. To act as if it's as simple as spending a few bucks and your protected is asinine.

Because the likelihood of that happening almost zero.
I know how to make it 0.  ;D The odds of someone breaking into my house are almost 0 too, but I still lock my door. I bet you do too.

In short, your better off taking extra unneeded security precautions than trying to get by with just enough.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2011, 08:56:22 am »
True. You don't have to do anything to get infected. And if another pc behind your router/firewall gets infected with a worm, you're screwed as well...

I do have network cards in my cabs, but I used them for configuration only. And I have virusscanners for all other pc's in the same network.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2011, 11:39:42 am »
Do me a favor, don't put words in my mouth.

Quite right. Out of line and I apologize.
Like I said though, I don't declare it impossible. I just feel its very very unlikely. I will hook up the laptop tomorrow and leave it overnight. I'll run a scan sometime this weekend and report. I'm not saying the findings will be definitive proof, but it'll just put to rest some questions about timeframe at least, and perhaps chance.
Mind you, I absolutely have virus scan software on my personal computer. So, I'm not against the idea of viruses (virii?) existing and being a problem. I've been a computer tech for 15 years, and in all my time I've never seen anything to suggest a virus attack that came from nothing. Even when xp was new. Even when those damned worms came out that would shut down your pc in 10...9....8....7... :D

A question though; The pc you experienced the virus attack from doing nothing. Did you literally do nothing for the entire time it was fresh and virus free, until you were infected? No browsing, no anything?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2011, 12:10:35 pm »
both of my cabinets are on wifi, mainly just for ease of administration over vnc.  I'm one of those people that no matter how well it is working, i am always tweaking my cabinets and doing different things to them.  they are both older PCs, (p4 3ghz, 2gb ram) running windows xp sp3 and Panda cloud antivirus.  Automatic updates are turned off. I dont have weird people bringing infected pcs to my house and plugging them into my network, and my wifi is encrypted.  i keep all of my other computers up to date with security patches and run full virus scans nightly (AVG, MSE, Panda).  I periodically run scans on my mame cabinets with Panda and Malwarebytes.  I also periodically mirror my mame cabinets to another spare hard drive, just in case there would be a problem.

i don't get viruses on my systems, it just doesn't happen to me.  I am an IT Consultant, i fix dozens of infected computers every week, and it amazes me how many people get infected....i just can't figure out how they do it.  It isn't that difficult to keep your computers clean...just a little common sense and some free software. ( and staying away from limewire and crap like that).



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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2011, 12:42:27 pm »
Dont do it! networking causes SO MUCH overhead plus with NO networking, you dont need the other number one resource hogging thing - antivirus
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2011, 02:43:07 pm »
If you want to see it in action. Put an unpatched Windows XP system straight on the internet with no firewall, service packs, antivirus and a real IP.

How long should I keep it on for? At what time could I turn it off and say this test is done? I have a spare laptop. I can install Windows Xp (Not even SP1!), nothing else, and plug it directly into the cable modem.

Given an infinite amount of time, an infinite amount of monkeys can write Shakespeare, apparently, but what if they had a timeframe? The test is impossible, because if I leave it for a day, or a week, You'll say I didn't leave it on long enough.

Do me a favor, don't put words in my mouth.

Just give it a night, but before you do this, you should lookup how long the average infection time is for an unprotected system on the internet. You should have conficker or MSBlast in no time.

Honestly, I don't care if you think a virus can infect you or not, just because you are an individual. I know they can infect your machine without you doing anything to get them. It's happened to me. Just because something doesn't happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

At peak it was something like 20-30 seconds!  (you didn't even have time to do online patching of the machine)  Spread was IIRC pretty much exponential, every infected machine would try to infect other machines with similar IP addresses etc., nasty, nasty stuff if you weren't behind a proper firewall.  Probably less these days because XP share is much reduced, and most people actually have the service packs etc. installed.  Still a few idiots do hold out, connect their machines to the internet and act completely oblivious to the problems they're causing.  You didn't have to do anything to get infected, just connect the machine to the internet and leave it, in many cases you wouldn't even know you were infected unless you monitored your outgoing traffic.

Anyway, no, if you're not going to be actively patching a machine then you shouldn't have it connected to the internet, period.

Actively patching something like a MAME cab could introduce other problems if some of the patches break functionality that certain frontends rely on, or even in some cases MAME (see the number of people having problems with that crappy hacked up shooter build based on 0.99 and full patched Win7 64-bit boxes)

Therefore I conclude, cabs are best kept offline.

I wonder how many commercial games with internet connections, running Windows based OS's are actually infected with this type of crap (I'd hope the embedded versions don't have the exploited services enabled, but you never know)



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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2011, 03:37:14 pm »
A question though; The pc you experienced the virus attack from doing nothing. Did you literally do nothing for the entire time it was fresh and virus free, until you were infected? No browsing, no anything?

I did this once on a pc that was going to be rebuilt from scratch anyways when I was bored.  Fresh install of XP with no nat/firewall between it and the internet.  It was totally hosed in less than a day.   :lol

Hell, my websites/forums/etc get attacked pretty much 24/7/365..script kiddies need to die a horrible death.   :angry:

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2011, 05:44:25 pm »
We'll see we'll see!
My old laptop is such crap. I actually have to reconnect the power connector inside of the damn thing. It popped out and was hanging out at the bottom of the box where it was stored. The thing is so beat up, but still ticking. I bet any viruses will be too afraid to tangle with it.
That's the test though, Windows XP, no service pack, no patches, no firewall, no antivirus, for 24 hours.
I will absolutely own up if it does come out infected, but until them, my skepticism is in full effect.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2011, 06:04:43 pm »
I've got my cabinet internet enabled, because it gets used for lots of purposes aside from arcade games. I'd figure that most people these days have a router/firewall setup on their network - I was under the assumption that a good router is usually sufficient to stop those broad-based attacks like conficker? Am I wrong? We've never had problems with viruses on our network, so maybe I'm being a bit naive. :P

Also, Lew was talking about the possibility of someone infected jumping onto his wireless connection...are you running an unsecured wireless connection? Or is it easy for someone to jump onto a secured network?

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« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2011, 07:23:41 pm »
Also, Lew was talking about the possibility of someone infected jumping onto his wireless connection...are you running an unsecured wireless connection? Or is it easy for someone to jump onto a secured network?

Neither, I have a lot of company and everyone travels with laptops anymore.

A firewall does a good job of hiding your computer from worms.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2011, 09:40:34 pm »
We'll see we'll see!
My old laptop is such crap. I actually have to reconnect the power connector inside of the damn thing. It popped out and was hanging out at the bottom of the box where it was stored. The thing is so beat up, but still ticking. I bet any viruses will be too afraid to tangle with it.
That's the test though, Windows XP, no service pack, no patches, no firewall, no antivirus, for 24 hours.
I will absolutely own up if it does come out infected, but until them, my skepticism is in full effect.

Well it's well documented, being skeptical about it is like claiming the grass is blue and the sky is green.

This seems to cover most of it
http://www.wizcrafts.net/ans/constant_rebooting.html

Might not be as bad now (many ISPs will filter it out specifically) but back in the day it was lethal on an unpatched XP / 2000 box and it's entirely possibly that somebody will find a similar exploit in the codebase today, meaning if you're not up to date with the latest patches your box will simply be hijacked.  Rather important to learn from the lessons of the past.

As pointed out, this can result in people installing hidden FTP servers on your machine, and distributing all kinds of nasty crap via them.

It's incredibly naive to take the approach that you can only get a virus by running a nasty attachment / application and while modern versions of the operating systems do provide several extra layers of security exploits are still found daily, practically every common file and document format used by PCs today has been exploited to cause code execution at some point as well as a fair number of the communication protocols due to poorly coded software handling them.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2011, 10:50:52 pm »
practically every common file and document format used by PCs today has been exploited to cause code execution at some point as well as a fair number of the communication protocols due to poorly coded software handling them.

Amen to that!

We've seen Adobe reader pretty hard with buffer overflow code execution exploits. From a network admin/home user standpoint it's a serious pain to keep the latest versions of all the applications up to date, not to mention the OS and drivers. In my household, I can't imagine adding my mame machines to the mix.

If someones house consists of a couple computers. I suppose sitting behind a firewall, someone could feel relatively secure. I just don't see the point.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2011, 01:25:25 am »
Internet access via wireless. Its awesome updating systems and doing maintenance via remote desktop from work.  :cheers:

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2011, 01:55:57 am »
Well it's well documented, being skeptical about it is like claiming the grass is blue and the sky is green.

This seems to cover most of it
http://www.wizcrafts.net/ans/constant_rebooting.html

Might not be as bad now (many ISPs will filter it out specifically) but back in the day it was lethal on an unpatched XP / 2000 box and it's entirely possibly that somebody will find a similar exploit in the codebase today, meaning if you're not up to date with the latest patches your box will simply be hijacked.  Rather important to learn from the lessons of the past.

As pointed out, this can result in people installing hidden FTP servers on your machine, and distributing all kinds of nasty crap via them.

It's incredibly naive to take the approach that you can only get a virus by running a nasty attachment / application and while modern versions of the operating systems do provide several extra layers of security exploits are still found daily, practically every common file and document format used by PCs today has been exploited to cause code execution at some point as well as a fair number of the communication protocols due to poorly coded software handling them.


I feel pretty certain that you didn't read this entire thread before posting.
At no point did I say that any kind of file hasn't been infected in the past. This is something I know as well. I also was specifically talking about this day and age. I even mentioned that ISPs will specifically have internal firewalls up to block known issues like the blaster worm. I even mentioned the blaster worm specifically! (I didn't call it by name, but I did describe how it operates.)
I haven't said it hasn't happened in the past. I said I've never seen a case of it happening for no reason. I said (in the context of today) that any worm that propagates by IP sniffing will quickly be stopped. It's highly detectable these days.
I am still skeptical about the fruits of my experiment. For you to compare it to utter unbelievable nonsense is rude. I’m not skeptical of documented fact, nor did I imply that I was. I just don't see that sort of thing being an issue today, and I am completely willing to test it out, and willing to admit if I'm proven wrong. I don't appreciate the hostility, or the condescension.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2011, 02:30:21 am »
We'll see we'll see!
My old laptop is such crap. I actually have to reconnect the power connector inside of the damn thing. It popped out and was hanging out at the bottom of the box where it was stored. The thing is so beat up, but still ticking. I bet any viruses will be too afraid to tangle with it.
That's the test though, Windows XP, no service pack, no patches, no firewall, no antivirus, for 24 hours.
I will absolutely own up if it does come out infected, but until them, my skepticism is in full effect.

And is it connected directly to your modem? Or in other words does it have a 'real internet' ip address and not a internal address (192.*.*.* or 10.*.*.*)?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2011, 10:52:16 am »
We'll see we'll see!
My old laptop is such crap. I actually have to reconnect the power connector inside of the damn thing. It popped out and was hanging out at the bottom of the box where it was stored. The thing is so beat up, but still ticking. I bet any viruses will be too afraid to tangle with it.
That's the test though, Windows XP, no service pack, no patches, no firewall, no antivirus, for 24 hours.
I will absolutely own up if it does come out infected, but until them, my skepticism is in full effect.

And is it connected directly to your modem? Or in other words does it have a 'real internet' ip address and not a internal address (192.*.*.* or 10.*.*.*)?
That's not really necessary, he could simply set his notebook to be a DMZ host, which would achieve the same effect (assuming no ports were forwarded to other hosts on his network).

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2011, 10:55:27 am »

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #62 on: July 08, 2011, 11:19:27 am »
Hahaha, this is EXACTLY my issue. I have to admit it, on other boards I have to seriously resist the temptation to write how i feel or think because it will only result in attacks, which usually somehow devolve into religeous or racist discussions.
That's one of the reasons I really like it here. The people are usually very friendly and open for actual arguement and discussion. I absolutely will admit I am wrong - if the test I am going to do comes up as some expect. But I am going to see for myself.

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I am going to plug it directly into the cable modem, no router.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #63 on: July 08, 2011, 11:33:58 am »
@Sjaak

I am going to plug it directly into the cable modem, no router.

Good luck, you're a brave man. And to everyone else: never plug your pc directly in the modem without proper protection :)

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #64 on: July 08, 2011, 11:34:53 am »
It's always fun to make a honeypot and set it up...

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #65 on: July 08, 2011, 11:50:18 am »
Good luck, you're a brave man. And to everyone else: never plug your pc directly in the modem without proper protection :)

It's not like it's my personal use Pc! ;)
I'm specifically installing windows XP SP0 for this test.

The flipping thing has PS2 ports on it. (No offence to people with jenky old PCs ;) )

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #66 on: July 08, 2011, 12:46:05 pm »
The flipping thing has PS2 ports on it. (No offence to people with jenky old PCs ;) )
The PS2 port is still provided on many systems.  It's not as common on laptops (especially the smaller netbook style systems), but desktop systems definitely still provide them to some degree.  Just looking at a random motherboard on NewEgg (the first ASUS board on their list since that's a well known, high end brand), I see a PS2 port.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131654

Even the most expensive AMD board listed on NewEgg (a $250 Gigabyte) has a PS2.  I wouldn't expect that every board would, but PS2 isn't a litmus test for how old a machine is.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #67 on: July 08, 2011, 01:42:23 pm »
Even the most expensive AMD board listed on NewEgg (a $250 Gigabyte) has a PS2.  I wouldn't expect that every board would, but PS2 isn't a litmus test for how old a machine is.


I think it is for laptops

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #68 on: July 08, 2011, 01:56:25 pm »
Mine is on dial up.


Kidding.  One is on the network, One isnt.  The one that is usually doesnt have the cat5 plugged in unless Im doing something on it. It lacks antivirus and a buncha other stuff, its just not online enough for me to think its needed (and its connection is heavily firewalled with a static internal IP) when it is online.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #69 on: July 08, 2011, 01:59:17 pm »
Even the most expensive AMD board listed on NewEgg (a $250 Gigabyte) has a PS2.  I wouldn't expect that every board would, but PS2 isn't a litmus test for how old a machine is.

Actually, my laptop finally died, so I'm switching to an old desktop. And how about I qualify the PS2 issue; It won't actually accept commands on the bios screen from a usb keyboard. :P

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2011, 02:19:26 pm »
Thanks for still doing the test.  A lot of us are curious about what the results will be.


And to think of it I've never tried running CarnEvil after updating for internet connectivity it ran 100% when it was a closed system I'll have to try now and see if there's much difference
I'm curious about that one too.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2011, 02:24:19 pm »
Ill try it out when I get home from work tonight badmouth

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2011, 12:20:34 am »
fully patched and internet ready xp pro x64 with kaspersky carnevil runs at 100% with no sound skipping, there's a few spots here and there where it bounces between 98-100% but it's otherwise smooth sailing

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2011, 07:37:43 pm »
Cab runs Win98 in DOS mode.  I keep the NIC pulled because if I don't it has a tendency to take over the ISA sound card's IRQ.  When I need to boot the GUI for maintenance (not often anymore) I use K-Meleon for web browsing.

I did have a network drop run behind the cab, so if I ever need to I could have it on the network all the time.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2011, 10:20:33 pm »
Well it's well documented, being skeptical about it is like claiming the grass is blue and the sky is green.

This seems to cover most of it
http://www.wizcrafts.net/ans/constant_rebooting.html

Might not be as bad now (many ISPs will filter it out specifically) but back in the day it was lethal on an unpatched XP / 2000 box and it's entirely possibly that somebody will find a similar exploit in the codebase today, meaning if you're not up to date with the latest patches your box will simply be hijacked.  Rather important to learn from the lessons of the past.

As pointed out, this can result in people installing hidden FTP servers on your machine, and distributing all kinds of nasty crap via them.

It's incredibly naive to take the approach that you can only get a virus by running a nasty attachment / application and while modern versions of the operating systems do provide several extra layers of security exploits are still found daily, practically every common file and document format used by PCs today has been exploited to cause code execution at some point as well as a fair number of the communication protocols due to poorly coded software handling them.


I feel pretty certain that you didn't read this entire thread before posting.
At no point did I say that any kind of file hasn't been infected in the past. This is something I know as well. I also was specifically talking about this day and age. I even mentioned that ISPs will specifically have internal firewalls up to block known issues like the blaster worm. I even mentioned the blaster worm specifically! (I didn't call it by name, but I did describe how it operates.)
I haven't said it hasn't happened in the past. I said I've never seen a case of it happening for no reason. I said (in the context of today) that any worm that propagates by IP sniffing will quickly be stopped. It's highly detectable these days.
I am still skeptical about the fruits of my experiment. For you to compare it to utter unbelievable nonsense is rude. I’m not skeptical of documented fact, nor did I imply that I was. I just don't see that sort of thing being an issue today, and I am completely willing to test it out, and willing to admit if I'm proven wrong. I don't appreciate the hostility, or the condescension.


I just feel that your 'it could never happen to me' / 'it could never happen again' to be one of the most dangerous when it comes to this kind of thing.

It's the entire reason the situation occurred in the first place.  People assuming such things couldn't / wouldn't happen to them, not bothering to patch because it was 'unimportant' (or too damaging to their precious uptime!)

To have a machine connected to the internet, and not have a proper patching schedule in place is irresponsible at best, not to mention highly selfish when it comes to other internet users.

I have a feeling the next big storm of this kind will probably hit Mac users rather than Windows users however, because despite recent showings that their platform is far from impenetrable many still insist on having this mentality that their systems are immune from all viruses are other such 'Windows specific' problems.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2011, 12:04:46 am »
the only reason why Mac's have never had a major virus/worm incident is because their market penetration is what hovering at ~12% or something like that, no one is going to take the time to mess with that. But frankly I wish it would happen, bring those dang Mac hippies down a peg or two.



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for the record i don't actually hope it happens I just really really hate the high and mighty attitude of mac users.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2011, 04:50:44 am »
the only reason why Mac's have never had a major virus/worm incident is because their market penetration is what hovering at ~12% or something like that, no one is going to take the time to mess with that. But frankly I wish it would happen, bring those dang Mac hippies down a peg or two.



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for the record i don't actually hope it happens I just really really hate the high and mighty attitude of mac users.

I'm buying a Mac this week  ;D

Yes, Mac and Linux are used less and thus people generally don't bother making viruses for them. But they are both Unix based and thus a little more secure to start with. Majority of servers use Linux I believe, and if there's one thing you'd want to trash with a virus (if that's your thing) it's a server...


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2011, 06:11:04 am »
the only reason why Mac's have never had a major virus/worm incident is because their market penetration is what hovering at ~12% or something like that, no one is going to take the time to mess with that. But frankly I wish it would happen, bring those dang Mac hippies down a peg or two.



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for the record i don't actually hope it happens I just really really hate the high and mighty attitude of mac users.
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/virus-removal/remove-mac-defender
This thing caused quite a stir among the virus-attitude of mac users. it's probably the first wave of the impending shitstorm.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2011, 11:40:54 am »
the only reason why Mac's have never had a major virus/worm incident is because their market penetration is what hovering at ~12% or something like that, no one is going to take the time to mess with that.

It seems that it would be a good 12% to hit. Macs have more security, and while they aren't invulnerable they are more secure than windows.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2011, 01:11:20 pm »
I am going to plug it directly into the cable modem, no router.

So, how did it go?

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2011, 01:44:28 pm »
I am going to plug it directly into the cable modem, no router.

So, how did it go?

Scanning the drive with the corporate antivirus right now.

Though I have to concede that I couldn't find a copy of XP older than SP1 :/

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2011, 01:53:55 pm »
I generally put a wireless card in my cabs, but I set it so that it does not automatically connect to wifi.  So it will only connect to wifi when I want it to.   For remote connection sessions where I modify or tweak my cab.   I don't have my PC up to date, and no AV running.   So far this has worked for me.  Not sure if merely having a network card installing, even though its not connected, is using up resources or not, but I suspect not very much.  This works pretty well for me so far.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #82 on: July 13, 2011, 12:05:12 am »
So, the results are in. Honestly, I kind of wish they didn't turn out this way because I feel kind of dick -ish. There were no viruses on the hard drive. It was scanned with a current update of Mcafee corporate edition (in my tech room at work.) If anybody wants, I can try a different antivirus scan if you don't trust Mcafee (honestly, I don't think it's amazing.) I'll just get a 30 day trial of whatever.

Mind you, I'm not implying or ever have implied that it is impossible to get viruses this way. All I was saying was that in the time we live right now, after these attacks have happened in the past, ISPs and Microsoft have taken more responsibility to defend against them. I also firmly believe that IP sniffing viruses would quickly be snuffed out because they are easily detectable these days.
I have always kept my windows up to date (not the experiment PC), so this probably has a hand in why I haven't gotten viruses. But I have been online many times in the past with no anti-virus software and I've never had a problem.  My brother gets them despite the antivirus software I give him, but he's always poking around on the internet following google links.
In conclusion, if you put your PC on the internet, at least update it!

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #83 on: July 13, 2011, 03:32:13 am »
That is good to know. I guess ISP's are filtering the nasty ones out or maybe they just died out.

On occasion I have to connect directly to the internet (with virusscanner and windows firewall), but I feel a bit safer now.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2011, 12:37:30 pm »
So, the results are in. Honestly, I kind of wish they didn't turn out this way because I feel kind of dick -ish. There were no viruses on the hard drive.

The problem is you didn't leave it on long enough.  :lol

Mind you, I'm not implying or ever have implied that it is impossible to get viruses this way.
Actually, you said
Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. I mean, sure, if you use your cabinet to browse around you have a chance, but just connecting to the internet without doing anything isn't going to get you a virus.

I've gotten some viruses in my time, don't misunderstand, but it was from digging around on the internet looking at stuff I shouldn't be. I just don't think virus attacks are a huge problem for individuals.

I'm not saying it's impossble, just saying in my years I have never seen it. I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.

The point I was making was that a Mame machine could be infected simply by being on a network with other machines. Your point was that the Mame machine couldn't be infected unless it was user initiated. The vulnerabilities in windows and applications is such that I do not want the added maintenance of connecting my arcade machines to the network.

In the end we agree, a Mame cabinet needs to be protected and updated the same as any other computer that would get on the internet. That means windows updates, application updates,  antivirus, antispyware, etc. I use Intel Atom boards and they don't have enough horsepower to pull off all that crap, not to mention that TinyXP won't pass a Microsoft WGA test. It's not worth it.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #85 on: July 13, 2011, 01:22:20 pm »
Ahh, but the test was always slated for one day. Most seemed to agree that the infections would happen within hours. If I could, I would leave it on longer, and I have some solid confidence that it would be ok. Maybe it would have gotten something, but I don't think so. I'm just not willing to lose my household internet connection for longer.
Don't forget that I don't have my cab on the internet specifically because I don't want the nagging about updates and whatnot. I'd rather not use that extra speed on such things myself.
I'm not sure what you were pointing out by quoting me? In both I said it isn't impossible. It could happen by IP sniffing worms / viruses. I just think that the likelyhood of that happening these days is very slim/none. Since 2005 I have seen many people with no AV software using internet connections with no issues. Many of them for financial reasons. Some just stubborn :P I didn't use one for a very long time simply because I didn't have enough RAM to justify the footprint the AV software of the time took up.
I believe Windows updates should be done regardless, because of security holes that Microsoft finds within their own software that they remedy. Not necessarily that these are/have been abused, but that they could be. With a modern OS (like Windows 7) I don't think this is a concern even without the updates. I also believe that the majority of those IP sniffing viruses have been snuffed out, much like Smallpox. They really have nowhere to go for the most part, because who doesn't update/use a router with at least some firewall built in?
I think we can agree to disagree. If I ever do see an infection related to unilicit internet activity, I'll have my ketchup ready to eat the hat I don't wear.
Also, don't forget that even with the BEST A/V software, someone, somewhere has to get boned in order for the virus definitions to be updated. :P

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #86 on: July 13, 2011, 02:26:32 pm »
Ahh, but the test was always slated for one day. Most seemed to agree that the infections would happen within hours.

That was a joke. Earlier in the thread you said if you didn't get a virus I would say you didn't leave it on long enough.

I'm not sure what you were pointing out by quoting me? In both I said it isn't impossible.
just connecting to the internet without doing anything isn't going to get you a virus.

To me looks like your saying it isn't possible.

If I ever do see an infection related to unilicit internet activity, I'll have my ketchup ready to eat the hat I don't wear.
Ok. Well, it sounds like you managed to miss all of the worms which spread around with no user activity, which is pretty amazing seeing as how I was actively cleaning up the mess from these worms.

I suppose we can agree to disagree, although I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on. Unless what your saying is, you can't get a virus just by connecting your computer up to a network. Then we can disagree.


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2011, 02:40:45 pm »
At any rate, thanks for doing the test.  It's been interesting.

Thanks to kalars123 too for testing Carnevil.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #88 on: July 13, 2011, 02:53:15 pm »
I think we will disagree on the probability of getting a virus that way being minimal enough to not worry about it. It's not impossible though.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #89 on: July 23, 2011, 10:10:22 am »
I would definitely disagree about it being minimal.  I manage corporate firewalls, and I see the attempted (automated) attacks numbering thousands per hour. And typical infection times for unprotected systems range from minutes to hours, depending on circumstances.  As such, I suspect that there are some factors that haven't been accounted for in your test such as;

Did you disable Windows firewall explicitly?  It is on by default in XP.

Were you assigned an unroutable address or a public IP?  If you were assigned an unroutable address (10.x.x.x, 192.x.x.x, 172.x.x.x), you are behind a NAT device, whether you know it or not. If you were given a public IP, send it to me via PM and run a remote scan.

Did you get an address that has not been in use for weeks/months? If so, your address has likely been dropped from local scans as unreachable. Give it a few days for the first IP block scan to discover you are alive and watch your attack rate soar.  Note: The question is rhetorical, you can't determine when your IP address was last assigned.

Your machine may not have gotten infected, but a single data point is hardly a case study.  If you want proof, just grab the logs from any firewall or IPS that faces the net 24x7.  The attack rate is ridiculous on the public net. I


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2011, 06:11:33 pm »
I would definitely disagree about it being minimal. 

I would too, but there is really no point in beating this dead horse. What we are actually arguing about is peoples different experiences. I, along with many others here, have experienced or worked through different worm attacks which occur without any user action. scofthe7seas has not. All I was doing was correcting him when he said "Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection." as that is obviously false. What happened next was him conducting a non-scientific case study for his own benefit. No harm/no foul.

Since I have lots of people on my internal network, my arcade machines risk of exposure increases significantly.


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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2011, 07:42:12 pm »
I would definitely disagree about it being minimal.  I manage corporate firewalls, and I see the attempted (automated) attacks numbering thousands per hour. And typical infection times for unprotected systems range from minutes to hours, depending on circumstances. 

Can you please copy/paste a few lines of what are you talking about so we can see how do you know it was attempted attack and not something else?


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Did you disable Windows firewall explicitly?  It is on by default in XP.

Firewall was supposed to be enabled. Basically the claim is firewall would be sufficient, if necessary at all, so the test was proper and it showed the fear is imaginary, or perhaps induced on purpose. The argument is that there is no danger if the computer is only connected to the internet and is not used actively, *because* simple firewall would make it impossible for another computer to even make a connection if there is no appropriate software on the local machine ready to listen, and in order to get a virus you would need to browse internet, download stuff, click links and buttons, or run some kind of server, or some "remote connection listener" software that is actually open to accept random incoming connection.


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Your machine may not have gotten infected, but a single data point is hardly a case study.  If you want proof, just grab the logs from any firewall or IPS that faces the net 24x7.  The attack rate is ridiculous on the public net.

I run WinXP on this machine I surf the internet with and I don't run any anti-virus software or anything else except regular XP firewall for almost a year now, I don't even do any updates, and I have normal IP number, so my computer should be full of viruses and everything. It's just that don't see them, so please let me know where can I find this "firewall log" and what exactly should I be looking for in order to see the proof you are talking about?

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« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2011, 08:02:03 pm »
I would definitely disagree about it being minimal. 

I would too, but there is really no point in beating this dead horse. What we are actually arguing about is peoples different experiences. I, along with many others here, have experienced or worked through different worm attacks which occur without any user action. scofthe7seas has not. All I was doing was correcting him when he said "Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection." as that is obviously false. What happened next was him conducting a non-scientific case study for his own benefit. No harm/no foul.

Since I have lots of people on my internal network, my arcade machines risk of exposure increases significantly.


It seems to me you were proved wrong by scofthe7seas and actual real-world test.

Indeed the internet is not just a cesspool waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. Computers can not talk between each other just like that, there has to be a software on a local machine explicitly instructed to open ports and actually LISTEN and APPROVE incoming connection REQUESTS.

The fact you personally get a lot of viruses is perhaps only evidence you are doing something wrong.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2011, 11:27:21 pm »
the real question here is, who has their mame cabinet setup so it gets their external public IP address?.....nobody.  That makes no sense. Most ISPs allow you to only pull a single IP address from them, so the only way that would work is if you have your mame cabinet pc wired directly to your modem, and it being your only PC.  the chances of that are small.  Anyone with a dedicated mame PC would also have at least one other PC that they use for internet browsing, and therefore be sitting behind a NAT router/firewall.  The question was "can your cab connect to the internet?" which implies a dedicated mame PC...and since nobody in their right mind would have their only PC in a mame cabinet, we should be able to assume that anyone with a mame cabinet is behind a router.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #94 on: July 24, 2011, 08:17:19 am »
I would definitely disagree about it being minimal. 

I would too, but there is really no point in beating this dead horse. What we are actually arguing about is peoples different experiences. I, along with many others here, have experienced or worked through different worm attacks which occur without any user action. scofthe7seas has not. All I was doing was correcting him when he said "Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection." as that is obviously false. What happened next was him conducting a non-scientific case study for his own benefit. No harm/no foul.

Since I have lots of people on my internal network, my arcade machines risk of exposure increases significantly.


It seems to me you were proved wrong by scofthe7seas and actual real-world test.

Indeed the internet is not just a cesspool waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. Computers can not talk between each other just like that, there has to be a software on a local machine explicitly instructed to open ports and actually LISTEN and APPROVE incoming connection REQUESTS.

The fact you personally get a lot of viruses is perhaps only evidence you are doing something wrong.

Welcome Troll!  ;D

Like I'm supposed to believe any of your lies Mr. 2 posts.

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« Reply #95 on: July 24, 2011, 05:38:15 pm »
Welcome Troll!  ;D

Like I'm supposed to believe any of your lies Mr. 2 posts.

Fear, uncertainty and doubt...

No, do not believe, see for yourself.


Monstrous ogre, perhaps you expect us to believe in your FUD? In that case you should open your virus vault or scan history, take a screenshot and post it here so we can see those numerous viruses knocking on your door every hour, all those that were caught trying to get you in the last week, or the whole year. Then we will also be able to see how many of those are not viruses at all, how many you downloaded yourself, how many got there through some automated process or background service, and how many got there without any help from you or your system software what-so-ever.

Can you do that, please?



By the way, and believe it or not, in my experience trying to make a system more secure, having automated updates enabled and stuff, can actually get the system infected easier and sooner than if you do nothing about it, not to mention ordinary conflicts and system crashes due to upgrades and automatic downloads that have nothing to do with viruses and still can completely break your system to do point you have to make a clean install.

It's not really that viruses are dangerous, it's more about Microsoft making lousy software. It's also not about enabling stuff and having additional software to keep you updated and secure, it's about disabling and removing all this crazy software and background services that uses internet connection on their own, keep open ports for no good reason and without consulting user about it, those are the real infections on your system.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2011, 08:28:09 pm »
Welcome Troll!  ;D

Like I'm supposed to believe any of your lies Mr. 2 posts.

Fear, uncertainty and doubt...

No, do not believe, see for yourself.


Monstrous ogre, perhaps you expect us to believe in your FUD? In that case you should open your virus vault or scan history, take a screenshot and post it here so we can see those numerous viruses knocking on your door every hour, all those that were caught trying to get you in the last week, or the whole year. Then we will also be able to see how many of those are not viruses at all, how many you downloaded yourself, how many got there through some automated process or background service, and how many got there without any help from you or your system software what-so-ever.

Can you do that, please?



By the way, and believe it or not, in my experience trying to make a system more secure, having automated updates enabled and stuff, can actually get the system infected easier and sooner than if you do nothing about it, not to mention ordinary conflicts and system crashes due to upgrades and automatic downloads that have nothing to do with viruses and still can completely break your system to do point you have to make a clean install.

It's not really that viruses are dangerous, it's more about Microsoft making lousy software. It's also not about enabling stuff and having additional software to keep you updated and secure, it's about disabling and removing all this crazy software and background services that uses internet connection on their own, keep open ports for no good reason and without consulting user about it, those are the real infections on your system.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #97 on: July 24, 2011, 08:47:26 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2011, 07:25:07 am »
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« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2011, 04:54:44 pm »
It seems to me you were proved wrong by scofthe7seas and actual real-world test.

Indeed the internet is not just a cesspool waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. Computers can not talk between each other just like that, there has to be a software on a local machine explicitly instructed to open ports and actually LISTEN and APPROVE incoming connection REQUESTS.

Sorry, but you are just wrong. If you understood the topic in greater depth, you would know why. But I'm not going to waste time lecturing someone who has no desire to learn.
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« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2011, 05:00:51 pm »
Mine has wired internet access.  I actually have a desk setup beside the cab that has a second monitor, and a keyboard and mouse.  This way anyone can sit comfortably and still use it as a normal PC.   It has been setup this way from day one, about 9 years in all.   

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« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2011, 07:40:37 pm »
I've built a large upright 2 person fighter style cabinet. Its networked and also able to go online.
I use it to stream Pandora and other online media sites like hulu and youtube. Most motherboards
have ethernet already onboard or you can purchase a wife fi pci card for less than 20 bucks.

Having it networked also allows me to back up all my digital pictures and other files onto its large hard drive.
I've seen too many hard drives fail, so I'm fanatical on redundancy of all my digital content.



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« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2011, 11:48:00 pm »
It seems to me you were proved wrong by scofthe7seas and actual real-world test.

Indeed the internet is not just a cesspool waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. Computers can not talk between each other just like that, there has to be a software on a local machine explicitly instructed to open ports and actually LISTEN and APPROVE incoming connection REQUESTS.

Sorry, but you are just wrong. If you understood the topic in greater depth, you would know why. But I'm not going to waste time lecturing someone who has no desire to learn.

Please, what possessed you to flame me in spite of my already warm friendliness, are you drunk? I actually do have intense desire to learn, in case there is somehow still something I don't know yet, but I'm sure everyone here would also be excited to enjoy if you would be kind to share your lecture with us, so please, go ahead and teach me, I am listening.

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« Reply #103 on: July 26, 2011, 02:04:51 am »
Please, what possessed you to flame me in spite of my already warm friendliness, are you drunk? I actually do have intense desire to learn, in case there is somehow still something I don't know yet, but I'm sure everyone here would also be excited to enjoy if you would be kind to share your lecture with us, so please, go ahead and teach me, I am listening.


Everyone ignore this troll, he was banned a week ago (used to go by the name torino) and he will be banned again soon.
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« Reply #104 on: July 26, 2011, 02:50:43 am »
Everyone ignore this troll, he was banned a week ago (used to go by the name torino) and he will be banned again soon.

Thanks for your solicitude, but I don't want to ignore, if Mr. Bender DooLittle has something to say I am ready to listen, I don't care what is his real name or what happened before, you go ahead and close your eyes, sit on your ears if you wish. What's your concern anyway, what exactly are you worried about, mother?

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« Reply #105 on: July 26, 2011, 09:26:06 am »
Everyone ignore this troll, he was banned a week ago (used to go by the name torino) and he will be banned again soon.

It appears you are addressing me. If so, I'm not sure where you got your info, but it is wrong.  I have never been known by any handle other than my current one, and I have never been banned.


Please, what possessed you to flame me in spite of my already warm friendliness, are you drunk?

I didn't flame you, I merely stated that I feel that further efforts to educate you would be a waste of my time. As for why;  Your supporting argument indicates only a basic understanding of IP sockets and Windows, yet you did not hesitate to proclaim that you *know* it is impossible.  In my experience, that is the hallmark of someone isn't receptive to learning.

If you wish to learn,  I would advise you to go research various worms and the exploits/vectors they use to infect a system. Don't just read for 5 min and declare yourself an expert, truly research.  Even try some of these attacks for yourself manually.  Next, research what Windows exposes by default and what is required to harden Windows to DoD standards for a net connected computer. Then, learn what you cannot disable to and still access the machine over a network.  Finally, dig into uPNP and how much control apps (incl malware) have over the windows firewall.

Once you have done all that, you will truly understand why no serious IT person would put a host with only windows FW in a net facing position.
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Re: Re: Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #106 on: July 26, 2011, 09:37:18 am »
Everyone ignore this troll, he was banned a week ago (used to go by the name torino) and he will be banned again soon.

It appears you are addressing me. If so, I'm not sure where you got your info, but it is wrong.  I have never been known by any handle other than my current one, and I have never been banned.


vagabound is torino, also known as 'driver-man', 'abaraba' or zelkjo 'zeke' aksentijevic. He's some kind of professional troll online. Searching for his name pulls up plenty of pages of people complaining about his ridiculous claims and activities.

He usually gets banned from here about once every month and a half.

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« Reply #107 on: July 26, 2011, 09:40:20 am »
In my experience, that is the hallmark of someone isn't receptive to learning.

Or a troll.  :laugh2:

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« Reply #108 on: July 26, 2011, 09:42:13 am »
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« Reply #109 on: July 26, 2011, 10:54:38 am »
Next, research what Windows exposes by default and what is required to harden Windows to DoD standards for a net connected computer.

You work on government systems?

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« Reply #111 on: July 27, 2011, 12:02:39 am »




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« Reply #112 on: August 24, 2011, 11:07:39 am »
I may have to change my vote from can connect to F M$!

I've been having a problem with both my cabs since we moved last October.  I assumed it was related to disassembling one and some kind of connection on the other.  Well, I fixed the issue on the main system which turned out to be an issue with a borked M$ firewall service.  After killing and restarting it, all connectivity issues were resolved. 

As for the other, well...thanks to M$, I was forced to take an update which pushed the WGA software.  Since I was unable to get a reliable connection with the network I had set up, that machine has been sitting stagnant.  I finally took the time to hammer away at fixing it and now it's working.  The problem was that M$ wouldn't let me log on without WGA validation, but without logging on, I couldn't fix my network settings.   :angry:

Although having access is nice, not having to worry about network settings forking your cab up (especially when people are coming over) is nicer.  I may be dropping my wireless connection and only fixing things remotely if this issue occurs again!

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« Reply #113 on: August 26, 2011, 02:45:32 am »
I like to have my machines connected - for possible maintenance, for possible transfer of files (especially score snaps). I use MSE on all of them, which seems to be working well. I also have drives partitioned, and file sharing set only for 'files' partitions, and in the case of my main machine, 'view only'.
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« Reply #114 on: August 26, 2011, 03:38:15 pm »
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Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. I mean, sure, if you use your cabinet to browse around you have a chance, but just connecting to the internet without doing anything isn't going to get you a virus.

Just connecting to the internet without doing anything can definitely get you a virus.  Ever hear of the Blaster or Sasser worms?

To answer the original question, on my cab I have an external wireless adapter I plug in to download updates etc, but normally leave that off.  I have antivirus which runs when I'm connected, but I disable it otherwise to avoid the performance hit.  And this is behind a firewalled router to protect my system from worms.

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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #115 on: August 30, 2011, 11:47:53 am »
I was about to call BS on that last statement about a cab being vulnerable just by connecting to a router since NAT should keep you safe, but then I read this (a very interesting read, actually):

http://www.grc.com/nat/nat.htm

In essence, if you just connect your cab to a router with a NAT (all routers have this), you will be safe PROVIDED that it is the only system behind that router.  If you connect any other machine that is used to access the internet, it is possible to infect the cab.  If the other machine contracts a virus/worm/etc that uses RDC or file sharing to spread, the NAT will no longer protect your cab.  Also, if you have a WAP on the router that is not locked down, someone could potentially connect to it and intentionally/inadvertently infect at least one system behind the NAT.  At that point, all machines behind the NAT are vulnerable.

In any case, the real answer is that you need to understand networking to know whether you are making yourself vulnerable or not.  If you don't understand how to build a network correctly and you are concerned about data loss, keep your cab off the internet.

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Re: Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #116 on: August 30, 2011, 06:29:52 pm »
You are not safe even as the only device if the cabinet connects out to the net.

If you have not turned uPNP support off at the router (which many/most do not do), applications like torrent, IM, skype, etc can poke open holes inbound through your FW.

Even if you deny all inbound explicitly, active content can infect your computer just by using a browser or email client.
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« Reply #117 on: August 31, 2011, 11:42:08 am »
Yes, but I think what we were discussing was connecting a cab to the net without having any interaction at all (no surfing, no IM, no torrent, etc) and still contracting nasties.  A router will not allow an inbound connection through unless it expects it (an outbound connection initiated the inbound) or a port(s) is opened (port forwarding, DMZ, etc).  So, if you just have your cabinet connected without any applications trying to make outside contact and you are behind a router with a NAT and no other computer that interacts with the net is inside the NAT, you should be OK.

That's a lot to ask IMO, so it's probably better to either use protection or not connect at all.

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« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2011, 03:34:40 am »
You are not safe even as the only device if the cabinet connects out to the net.

If you have not turned uPNP support off at the router (which many/most do not do), applications like torrent, IM, skype, etc can poke open holes inbound through your FW.

By definition, those services need 'holes' to work through. Such is the risk of them. You certainly aren't playing games on MAMEHUB if it can't get in.
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Re: Can your cab connect to the internet?
« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2011, 02:39:18 pm »
The question was whether or not a machine can be infected simply by connecting to the internet with a live IP address (not a NAT'd) address after Scofthe7seas said:

Well, it's not like the internet is just a cesspool, waiting to rampantly infest PCs upon connection. I mean, sure, if you use your cabinet to browse around you have a chance, but just connecting to the internet without doing anything isn't going to get you a virus.
Scofthe7seas conducted a small test and was unable to contract a virus.

It really didn't have anything to do with NAT,  firewalls, virus scanners, etc. His thought was that a user could only get a virus if the user initiated an action. Which I think most of us know to be false.

If the question is "Can my cab connect to the internet" the answer is yes. If the question is "Does my cab connect to the internet" my answer is a hell no.

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« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2011, 02:43:17 pm »