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Ginsu Victim:

--- Quote from: Corbo on July 06, 2011, 09:39:10 am ---Either way, it's a bit dumb not to wear one.

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Some helmets restrict your view to a very limited area. Forget about peripheral vision in them.

That is more dangerous to OTHER people on the road.

Also, I find them somewhat disorienting.

Benevolance:
So maybe don't wear the bad helmet and get a good one? :D

There is a societal cost to not wearing helmuts or seatbelts. Even if you accept the risks, when medical personnel show up at the scene of an accident they are obligated to try and save your life, regardless of whether you are hurt because your stupidity didn't quite kill you, or you weren't the idiot that caused the accident. And if someone else hits you, you'll probably expect to be compensated for your injuries. And while most courts reduce the amount of reward due to contributory negligence, the severity of the injuries from not wearing proper safety gear will still make the final settlement cost higher than if you'd just put on the dumb helmut.

Now, if you have a waiver signed that says, "At first sign of any trauma to the head, kill me and harvest my organs" and you prepay for the cost of harvesting, then cool. I'll support your decision to not wear a helmut.

Vigo:

--- Quote from: Benevolance on July 06, 2011, 02:41:16 pm ---There is a societal cost to not wearing helmuts or seatbelts. Even if you accept the risks, when medical personnel show up at the scene of an accident they are obligated to try and save your life, regardless of whether you are hurt because your stupidity didn't quite kill you, or you weren't the idiot that caused the accident.

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I'm pretty sure more often than not, the guy wearing the helmet in an accident is costing a ton more hospital (and insurance company) resources. The guy w/o the helmet would be near dead and most likely not pull through after the ambulance ride. The guy with the helmet with have extensive procedures, hemoraging and internal bleeding that needs operating on, broken bones than need to be set. Spinal surgery and months and months of rehab.

Not trying to be insensitive, but if you think it should be law over the reason that it is using hospital resources, then you should be against helmets. Also, it's kinda a moot point because a hospital is more or less a business, and the hospital stays in business and makes money because of people getting into accidents.


--- Quote from: Benevolance on July 06, 2011, 02:41:16 pm ---And if someone else hits you, you'll probably expect to be compensated for your injuries. And while most courts reduce the amount of reward due to contributory negligence, the severity of the injuries from not wearing proper safety gear will still make the final settlement cost higher than if you'd just put on the dumb helmut.

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You can't really justify the helmets law based on some false expectation that someone is actually gonna get hurt and sue the other person. If you haven't looked around and noticed, people don't quite need an excuse to sue the pants off of another person; your concern shouldn't be pissing at the guy who actually needs it.

Besides, 9 times out of 10, the motorcyclists are not to blame in an accident. We are better trained drivers and we have a lot more at stake when on the road. We are actually pretty scared about all the idiot drivers out there not noticing us and merging into our lane. Believe it or not, many people avoid a helmet for this very reason. All full helmets DO screw up your peripheral vision and often you do not see the cars about to hit you from the side. You have only a certain control over your surroundings, and keeping all your senses fully alert is the best thing you can do when riding. That means plan ahead and pick the appropriate amount a headgear to wear on your ride.

I do wear a helmet, and am a huge advocate for voluntarily wearing helmets. I understand a number of reasonable arguments for the laws when it comes down to people's saving lives. All the blubbering about people without helmets causing an "invisible detriment to society" is pure hogwash though.

Ed_McCarron:

--- Quote from: Cakemeister on July 05, 2011, 10:38:01 pm ---Now we have to wear seat belts in the back seat. We should not have to wear those, either.

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Sure you should.  If I'm in the car that you hit head on, the last thing I want to have happen is to get injured by a person flying though my windshield at me.   :dizzy:

shrunkenmaster:
One of my friends was cycling on a Sunday, a 5 minute journey. An elderly lady car driver didn't see him, his head hit the kerb, resulting in a coma, followed by a life (?) of not knowing what day it is.

The helmet would have saved him. So I'm in favour of the helmet.




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