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Wow... This p'd me off... (Seller's 'miracle of an invention')
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--- Quote from: Malenko on July 05, 2011, 05:51:02 pm ---shitcock
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Time to update the swear-filter me thinks.




--- Quote from: fallacy on July 08, 2011, 03:15:08 pm ---Is your avatar of a guy smoking pot?
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Mine is.
clok:
Trailer Park boys to the rescue... sad thing is they are almost a carbon copy of my life in the 80's.. and beyond..   :)  Didi you check him out in HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN   :) pretty funny too.
clok:
damn trailer Prk boys derailed me.

Piracy is pretty simple to me. If it has value Key word here,  and people charge for it and I take it for free when I DONT OWN IT I probely did something wrong. Most people use the exscuse they would never have bought it, so having it and enjoying it doesnt effect the original person.. if it had no value to you why did you take it? It had VALUE to you or you would not have bothered. So I guess that should mean you felt it was worth less than they wanted... the solution to that (before digtial media) was pretty cut and dried. I want a steak, place A charges $30, i think its to much, I DONT EAT IT!!!!  thats how its been done for years, I didnt like the price I didnt buy it. wait a sec... digtial media has no "substance" its not the orginal, if i just take it, nobody will not get one becuase i have that copy, nobody will lose money as there is no value to it.

good thing Drug companies, inventors dont think that.. THOUGHTS/ IDEAS have no substance, so in this "free if there is nobody being deprived" world they should just research and use that brilliant mind to solve problems for free..  making Music or movies takes time, skill (well... not so much in some movies and music) things that have nothing you hold in your hand have been giving value since long before digital... the only thing Digital has done as made it excedingly simple to "STEAL" value with pretty much zero risk. poeple have been selling stuff that has no "solid" value for a long time. Rental on equipment, babysitting, consulting.

I think the easy way to look at it. YOUR TIME, if you work all day shoveling cow dung and the end of the day they say THANKS and you figured you where going to get paid you would be mad.  Poeple how make musci/movies/games all want to get paid at the end of the day too. 


Vigo:

--- Quote from: clok on July 19, 2011, 04:09:49 pm ---Most people use the exscuse they would never have bought it, so having it and enjoying it doesnt effect the original person.. if it had no value to you why did you take it? It had VALUE to you or you would not have bothered. So I guess that should mean you felt it was worth less than they wanted... the solution to that (before digtial media) was pretty cut and dried. I want a steak, place A charges $30, i think its to much, I DONT EAT IT!!!!  thats how its been done for years, I didnt like the price I didnt buy it. wait a sec... digtial media has no "substance" its not the orginal, if i just take it, nobody will not get one becuase i have that copy, nobody will lose money as there is no value to it.
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Piracy can have a major positive impact on a product. Think about Adobe Photoshop for a second. A commercial program that for years was wildly pirated, yet now it is common lingo with anybody computer literate. Adobe seemed to do very little about people pirating their software for many years, as long as commercial users paid for the program. Now every Tom, Dick and Harry who pirated the program back in the 90's as kid exclusively uses Photoshop (and subsequently premiere, illustrator, indesign, etc.) Now if Adobe was efficient at stopping piracy from day 1, nobody would have dared pay the $1000 price tag the program used to cost, the program would not be nearly successful, the kids who grew up using photoshop were inspired enough to go in to graphic design and use this program with their own business. Because of photoshop and the rampant piracy, there are graphic designers everywhere. It's no coincidence.

Of course this is not a justification of piracy, but rather pointing out the nature of the climate today. Just because an item has value doesn't set price. The cost and value are separate and do not dictate each other. Piracy is inevitable, and can actually be a powerful tool if harnessed. You cannot think of digital media in the same sense as a $30 steak. You have only the one steak, but you have a potentially infinite number of photoshops out there.


--- Quote from: clok on July 19, 2011, 04:09:49 pm ---I think the easy way to look at it. YOUR TIME, if you work all day shoveling cow dung and the end of the day they say THANKS and you figured you where going to get paid you would be mad.  Poeple how make musci/movies/games all want to get paid at the end of the day too.  

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I can only wish that any of the crappy short films I made were good enough to be pirated. Right now, it fits in that "shoveled cow dung that nobody wants to pay for" category. For all the artists that don't get paid for their work, welcome to the world of being an artist. Van Gogh and countless other artists had the same problem; it's nothing new to the 21st century.
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I've heard a pretty good argument against downloading games, music, etc a while back I didn't consider before:

MAME for example gives you literary thousands of games to play, so if you only play these you have less time to consume other media. The same goes for everything that we can easily get from the Internet and all of the YouTube clips etc.

I only play games in my cabinet (360 arcade ports), but I still feel I haven't had the time I feel that I need to put into each game to feel it's worth having. If I had just downloaded the games, I'd feel even less satisfied with each game.

I know that I over-consume stuff like TV shows and movies, which leaves very little time to play games, create music etc. This is a real downer for me, and I'm pretty much pro-download.
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