The current status of Ram Controls:

[SuprSprint]

I still don't see a scam in what Dan/Jim is doing

Really???  You don't see history repeating itself?  You see nothing wrong with lying about who you are and your relationship with a crook who has ripped off many of your friends? For reference;

Jim/Dan Lie #1

As far as my connection to David / Adam, when I took this over the contract stipulated that he would assist me in continuing this venture. This assistance included training on how to assemble controllers, assisting me with resupply of parts, and help in designing new products. We are not financially connected.

Jim/Dan Lie #2

while I am not happy with the situation until I am completely up to speed on all aspects of Ram Controls I unfortunately still need his help.

Jim/Dan Lie #3

at the time I took Ram Controls over I considered both him and Errol a friend.

Jim/Dan Lie #4 (contradiction pending)

Adam is a friend of mine and I am trying to help him out.

Bottom line, he lied because he knew people would not buy from him if they knew.  i.e. he defrauded his customers.

[Bender]

so what IS Jim's relationship with Dave/Adam?

[Nephasth]

Either his partner in the scam (knowing or not), or one of Dave/Adam's split personalities he's created to cope with himself.

[FrizzleFried]

so what IS Jim's relationship with Dave/Adam?

Per Jim/Dan - Good friend,  ex-roommate.

[rikitiki]

An interresting post from KLOV from your "Non Arcade guy/Victim" Jim Bloomquist AKA Dan Johnston
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=49165&highlight=arcademovers

[ChadTower]

so what IS Jim's relationship with Dave/Adam?

Per Jim/Dan - Good friend,  ex-roommate.

[ahofle]

 

[FrizzleFried]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

 

[leapinlew]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

You've been holding back?!

[Donkey_Kong]

An interresting post from KLOV from your "Non Arcade guy/Victim" Jim Bloomquist AKA Dan Johnston
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=49165&highlight=arcademovers

Does that mean that Dan = Jim = Dave ?  Sorry I can't quite keep up anymore...

[Vigo]

An interresting post from KLOV from your "Non Arcade guy/Victim" Jim Bloomquist AKA Dan Johnston
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=49165&highlight=arcademovers

Does that mean that Dan = Jim = Dave ?  Sorry I can't quite keep up anymore...

The whole thing is really quite simple, honestly people, you should follow this better.

It all started one day when Jim wished on a magic zoltar machine to be big. The next day he grew 15 years older and moved to the city to start his new life. He met Dave, a man who he was switched at birth with, but they only found out just now. Coincidentally, they were also twins separated at birth at the same time. Quickly after Jim and Dave met, they became close friends. They decided to trade places with each other when Jim wanted to be a smelly hobo. Unfortunately, Jim was instead mistaken to be a federal agent by a ring of spies that were out to kill him. In Desperation, Jim and Dave decided to move into an all female apartment complex disguised as women. This plan was foiled, however, when a furry cat eating alien crashed into their garage which caused them to move in with their cousin from the island of Mypos. Jim, being constantly duped into Dave's half-brained schemes was tricked into to joining an all girls soccer team as means to pay for their next residence. He donned a wig and went by the name Danielle. At least until Dave died. Luckily he was given a second chance at life by coming back as a multimillionaire named Adam. Adam spent fortune in stock for Head-on roll on headache reliever and lost it all. As a last ditch effort to win it all back, he borrowed from intergalactic loan sharks to finance Ram Controls. The failed pyramid finance strategies angered the Jabba the Hutt, who had lost substantial credits to Adam's phoney venture. Adam reassumed the name Dave, but was still hunted down for the credits he never returned to the godfather of Tatooine, and was soon captured and frozen in carbonite. Danielle, now shortened to Dan, decided to do whatever it takes to repay the debt and bring Dave back from his carbon stasis. Dan tried to bring back Ram Controls and get money however he could. After ruffing up potheads for their debt and eating their cheeseburgers, he was shot 6 times point plank with a magnum revolver but every shot missed him. Now after having a personal revelation, Dan decided come clean about his shenanigans on the KLOV forum and then set off to wander the earth and hitchhike down lonely roads, only to find he cannot escape his past as he turns into the incredible hulk on a weekly basis.

See, it's really not that hard to follow this at all. 

[vorghagen]

 

The sad thing is, that probably makes more sense than the truth.

[saint]

Anyone here who hasn't read the KLOV forum threads on Ram Controls should. Caveat emptor.

[Hoopz]

Anyone here who hasn't read the KLOV forum threads on Ram Controls should. Caveat emptor.

That's like saying someone here should read the 48 page light gun thread.   

Just don't buy from thieves and it's all good.

[ChadTower]

How many people on this forum are still owed?  I guess we can rule out people on both.  We have to be getting close enough for saint to flick Ram Controls off the BYOAC countertop.

[rikitiki]

LMAO 
makes perfect sense now.
and pay no attention to the man behind the curtin

An interresting post from KLOV from your "Non Arcade guy/Victim" Jim Bloomquist AKA Dan Johnston
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=49165&highlight=arcademovers

Does that mean that Dan = Jim = Dave ?  Sorry I can't quite keep up anymore...

The whole thing is really quite simple, honestly people, you should follow this better.

It all started one day when Jim wished on a magic zoltar machine to be big. The next day he grew 15 years older and moved to the city to start his new life. He met Dave, a man who he was switched at birth with, but they only found out just now. Coincidentally, they were also twins separated at birth at the same time. Quickly after Jim and Dave met, they became close friends. They decided to trade places with each other when Jim wanted to be a smelly hobo. Unfortunately, Jim was instead mistaken to be a federal agent by a ring of spies that were out to kill him. In Desperation, Jim and Dave decided to move into an all female apartment complex disguised as women. This plan was foiled, however, when a furry cat eating alien crashed into their garage which caused them to move in with their cousin from the island of Mypos. Jim, being constantly duped into Dave's half-brained schemes was tricked into to joining an all girls soccer team as means to pay for their next residence. He donned a wig and went by the name Danielle. At least until Dave died. Luckily he was given a second chance at life by coming back as a multimillionaire named Adam. Adam spent fortune in stock for Head-on roll on headache reliever and lost it all. As a last ditch effort to win it all back, he borrowed from intergalactic loan sharks to finance Ram Controls. The failed pyramid finance strategies angered the Jabba the Hutt, who had lost substantial credits to Adam's phoney venture. Adam reassumed the name Dave, but was still hunted down for the credits he never returned to the godfather of Tatooine, and was soon captured and frozen in carbonite. Danielle, now shortened to Dan, decided to do whatever it takes to repay the debt and bring Dave back from his carbon stasis. Dan tried to bring back Ram Controls and get money however he could. After ruffing up potheads for their debt and eating their cheeseburgers, he was shot 6 times point plank with a magnum revolver but every shot missed him. Now after having a personal revelation, Dan decided come clean about his shenanigans on the KLOV forum and then set off to wander the earth and hitchhike down lonely roads, only to find he cannot escape his past as he turns into the incredible hulk on a weekly basis.

See, it's really not that hard to follow this at all. 

[Hoopz]

LMAO 
makes perfect sense now.
and pay no attention to the man behind the curtin

James Van Der Beek?   

[FrizzleFried]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

You've been holding back?!

Funny way to say "I'm sorry Friz... you were right again."

 

[Donkey_Kong]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

You've been holding back?!

Funny way to say "I'm sorry Friz... you were right again."

 

Just a weee subtle for sig fodder? 

[FrizzleFried]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

You've been holding back?!

Funny way to say "I'm sorry Friz... you were right again."

 

Just a weee subtle for sig fodder? 

I've been warned... only 2 ego-boosts per sig says brother saint...

 

[leapinlew]

So can I call Dave/Adam & Dan/Jim a --cream-filled twinkie-- now without being PMed by the masses accusing me of conspiring to keep them from a SW yoke?

You've been holding back?!

Funny way to say "I'm sorry Friz... you were right again."

 

Seeing as how I don't disagree with your message, just the delivery. No apology needed.

In this case, killing the messenger is appropriate.

[ChadTower]

Gotta say constantly saying that Ram Controls is a scam is a little like constantly saying the KC Royals are going to suck.  It's not exactly putting yourself out there on a risky limb.

[leapinlew]

Gotta say constantly saying that Ram Controls is a scam is a little like constantly saying the KC Royals are going to suck. 

Don't you mean "TAINTED SCAM CONTROLS!!! I WILL PERSONALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IF YOU BUY A STAR WARS YOKE FROM SCAM CONTROLS YOU SACK OF CRAP!!!!"

[FrizzleFried]

Gotta say constantly saying that Ram Controls is a scam is a little like constantly saying the KC Royals are going to suck. 

Don't you mean "TAINTED SCAM CONTROLS!!! I WILL PERSONALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IF YOU BUY A STAR WARS YOKE FROM SCAM CONTROLS YOU SACK OF CRAP!!!!"

Hyperbole anyone?

 

[leapinlew]

Gotta say constantly saying that Ram Controls is a scam is a little like constantly saying the KC Royals are going to suck. 

Don't you mean "TAINTED SCAM CONTROLS!!! I WILL PERSONALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IF YOU BUY A STAR WARS YOKE FROM SCAM CONTROLS YOU SACK OF CRAP!!!!"

Hyperbole anyone?

 

 

[Namco]

Geez. I come back with a renewed arcade thirst to see what new projects people are working on and end up wasting my time reading hundreds of posts about RAM controls. 

However it was a pretty entertaining way to spend my lunch hour.

[Paul Olson]

Geez. I come back with a renewed arcade thirst to see what new projects people are working on and end up wasting my time reading hundreds of posts about RAM controls. 

However it was a pretty entertaining way to spend my lunch hour.

That must be a really long hour!

[CheffoJeffo]

I have added a quick update to my prior warning posted on the RAM Controls page in the wiki:

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Ram_Controls

Mclemore over at KLOV has suggested the perhaps we should remove the stuff that "Dave" wrote which can't be verified as much of it may be false. I dunno -- I think that the entry shows the depth of the scam and, to my mind, that is a good thing.

Thoughts on what to do with the wiki entry ?

[Hoopz]

Leave it in.  It not only shows the depth of the scam but also shows the history of what's been happening.  The fact that the line is included showing that "Dave" wrote it AND that it may not be accurate gives everyone enough information to base their opinions on.

[Hoopz]

Any reason that the stickied thread on Ram and this thread haven't been merged?  Would it make sense to do so?  I know multiple (?) people have posted wondering where the rest of the thread went because they were in one thread and got confused that they weren't in the other.

Odds of Dave/Dan/Harpal Jr ever posting again here?   

[saint]

The conversations will be threaded amongst each other, and I thought that would be confusing. I can merge them if people want.

[Hoopz]

The conversations will be threaded amongst each other, and I thought that would be confusing. I can merge them if people want.

I thought that may be the case.  I dont know if it would be more confusing to merge them or not.  I'd say this thread may need to be stickied either in addition to the other one or in place of. 

[GibsonRiddler]

I have added a quick update to my prior warning posted on the RAM Controls page in the wiki:

http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Ram_Controls

Mclemore over at KLOV has suggested the perhaps we should remove the stuff that "Dave" wrote which can't be verified as much of it may be false. I dunno -- I think that the entry shows the depth of the scam and, to my mind, that is a good thing.

Thoughts on what to do with the wiki entry ?

I would leave it the way it is with the warning. With as big as this is getting. All info out there will help people learn what has happened.

[Gray_Area]

I don't know how frequented the wiki is.....

I suggest archiving the two threads, and creating a new, stickied thread containing a summarized 'statement of events', with the archived threads linked for those wanting to....research.

[ChadTower]

Wouldn't it be easier to just say DO NOT BUY FROM RAM CONTROLS rather than all that work documenting what are pretty much unsubstantiated claims from all sides?  Yeah, we all have a decent idea of the truth here, but nobody really knows exactly which claims from any party are true.

[FrizzleFried]

DO NOT BUY FROM RAM CONTROLS

...there must be an echo in here?

[leapinlew]

DO NOT BUY FROM RAM CONTROLS

...there must be an echo in here?

You must be thinking of when I said it earlier.

[SavannahLion]

The conversations will be threaded amongst each other, and I thought that would be confusing. I can merge them if people want.

Leave them be or sticky them. It's hard enough keeping up with all the ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- without having to sort through which post belongs to which conversation thread.

[FrizzleFried]

Both should be stickied for a time...

[RayB]

Where/how does this Brett guy fit into the scam? Accomplice or victim?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=102047.msg1080341