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CheffoJeffo:
To be fair to Frizz and Rikitiki, the last time that this happened in the community, people continued to get ripped off until those who weren't owed anything stepped up.

Having said that, if Steph says that Dan is not Dave, that is good enough for me.

I would, however, as a concerned member of the community like more details than perhaps Dan would like to share about what happened, what Dan's role has been in the past, etc. Also curious why not cut the cord, take the inventory and open a new business as "DAN Controls -- we got the inventory from RAM because Dave owed me money".

I have no dog in this fight except for some friends who are out of pocket and the good of the community.

* CheffoJeffo still hopes that Dan can find a way to climb out of the hole that Dave dug
EDIT: I actually think I know why Dan didn't take the inventory ... because he really can't just pick assets of a company in trouble just because he knows the guy. There are rules as to how creditors are taken care of in situations like this (I'm in Canada, but I bet the rules are similar). I'll bet Dan thought that his (and everybody's) best chance to get even was to take it all on (and shield himself as best he can) and do what Dave couldn't ... run a business.
Spunkmeyer:

--- Quote from: dan_ram on June 16, 2011, 01:57:05 pm ---Some of you are making the claim that I am Dave.. I refer you to the MANY post's Steph has made on KLOV that he has spoken to Dave and myself and he can verify that I am not in fact Dave. Shilmover who is on this board as well has made a similar post as he knows Dave well and has spoken to both him and myself on the phone and can verify that we are not the same person.
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Do you work for or with Dave Adams? Does he have any access to the materials you acquired from him? And, is he receiving any money from any of your sales?


--- Quote ---I am taking care of the past debts because it is good business. I am taking care of those who are owed past debts because it is the RIGHT thing to do. I am taking care of past customers because it is always easier to take care of past customers to keep a business alive than generate new customers.
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Unless you are legally liable for the past debts, or a business partner for Dave Adams, your argument makes no sense whatsoever. If what you've said is true, and you did not buy the business from Dave Adams, you are basically risking a lot to try and rehabilitate someone else's business name (because that company committed fraud.)

EDIT: I want to clarify... I am a business owner, so I'm very well informed about liability issues. My adamant tone here is not to trash you, Dan, I just honestly don't understand what you're thinking to involve yourself actively in someone else's issues of fraud.
dan_ram:
I know there was a lot of money owed by Dave when I took this thing over. I had an attorney draw up the paperwork to shield myself somewhat should this get out of control. The way it was structured is that I took over the assets, the intellectual property, and the web domain as payment for the debt he owed me. David does not own any part of my business or the stock. He has no control over my business or how I choose to run the Ram Controls brand. I do have an agreement where he will answer any questions I may have about the stock, past orders, and guidance to create new products. I do not come from an arcade background so I put it in the contract that he would provide this help. I do have regular contact with him by text message and occasionally via phone, but he is trying to put his life together and he knew he could not continue Ram Controls so this was the best possible solution. I pretty much felt I would never see any of my money back so I made the deal.

Spunkmeyer: He is NOT receiving money from sales. He and I have a contract where he helps me from time to time since I did not come from an arcade background. I have owned many games in my life (Spy Hunter, APB, Assault, Smash TV, SW Upright) I have never repaired them so I needed training on how to assemble the controllers, identify the parts, etc. If I came on the scene and tried selling Ram Controls parts people would make that connection pretty easily and I would still be in the same situation. I think that the brand name is worth salvaging and I am putting in the effort to do so. Some may not agree but that is my choice.
Spunkmeyer:
It sounds like you are a creditor who secured assets as payment to forgive your own debts, but Dave Adams is still liable for all of the other business that was conducted by him, unless your agreement said you were assuming his debts as well.

I agree with CheffoJeffo that the best thing to do would be to open "DAN Controls" ... and Dave Adams should be held accountable for his own actions.

Don't think the RAM Controls brand name is in any way salvageable.


--- Quote from: dan_ram on June 16, 2011, 02:16:16 pm ---I know there was a lot of money owed by Dave when I took this thing over. I had an attorney draw up the paperwork to shield myself somewhat should this get out of control. The way it was structured is that I took over the assets, the intellectual property, and the web domain as payment for the debt he owed me. David does not own any part of my business or the stock. He has no control over my business or how I choose to run the Ram Controls brand. I do have an agreement where he will answer any questions I may have about the stock, past orders, and guidance to create new products. I do not come from an arcade background so I put it in the contract that he would provide this help. I do have regular contact with him by text message and occasionally via phone, but he is trying to put his life together and he knew he could not continue Ram Controls so this was the best possible solution. I pretty much felt I would never see any of my money back so I made the deal.

Spunkmeyer: He is NOT receiving money from sales. He and I have a contract where he helps me from time to time since I did not come from an arcade background. I have owned many games in my life (Spy Hunter, APB, Assault, Smash TV, SW Upright) I have never repaired them so I needed training on how to assemble the controllers, identify the parts, etc. If I came on the scene and tried selling Ram Controls parts people would make that connection pretty easily and I would still be in the same situation. I think that the brand name is worth salvaging and I am putting in the effort to do so. Some may not agree but that is my choice.

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Ginsu Victim:
Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, this thread gave me a headache.  :dizzy:
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