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The current status of Ram Controls:
FrizzleFried:
That is just one of many...
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: bkenobi on June 16, 2011, 01:40:30 pm ---In the end, Dave's name is on the business license, so he minimally has some limited liability. In any case, if the business closes it's doors with people owed money, then the debtors don't follow the assets, they follow the business ID. Thus, they would be owed by whoever has the financial obligation of Dave's RAM Controls business ID. That's likely Dave.
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That is exactly what I've been talking about. I didn't explain the concept like bkenobi did. I was talking about the actual implications rather than the legal. It is important to know who actually owns the business because the business owes money. The inventory and IP of Ram Controls doesn't know anything to anybody.
FWIW, Dan and I have been emailing back and forth today, and I will let everybody know if a completed settlement happens. That won't address everybody but it would be a positive report in this ugly situation.
Spunkmeyer:
--- Quote from: smalltownguy on June 16, 2011, 01:44:32 pm ---None of which matters, because Dan has made a public proclamation that he intends to take care of everyone who has been wronged. He stated it in his first post in this thread.
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His original message also implied he was the owner of the company. Now he says he's not.
The owner of the business entity is the one who is legally liable and subject to prosecution for fraud.
dan_ram:
Some of you are making the claim that I am Dave.. I refer you to the MANY post's Steph has made on KLOV that he has spoken to Dave and myself and he can verify that I am not in fact Dave. Shilmover who is on this board as well has made a similar post as he knows Dave well and has spoken to both him and myself on the phone and can verify that we are not the same person.
I am taking care of the past debts because it is good business. I am taking care of those who are owed past debts because it is the RIGHT thing to do. I am taking care of past customers because it is always easier to take care of past customers to keep a business alive than generate new customers. It is my hope that some of those people I have taken care of will buy from me in the future, and you know it has worked. Some of those I have fulfilled orders for who were owed in the past have bought from me again and I have shipped their new orders quickly. As to why people who I have taken care of have not posted that fact on the forums, just look at the flames that are being fanned by certain people who are not owed anything by Ram Controls. Would you want to jump in to that fray???
FrizzleFried:
No one is saying you aren't taking care of past customers... because it seems like you are.
And I, for one, do believe you are not Dave (based on a number of posts at KLOV).
But the bottom line is the bottom line. RAM is a tainted company. Until RAM has paid back every cent it ripped off people, it will remain so.
I hope you can do it for the sake of those who've been ripped off... but it's NOT cool to solicit new business from the same community that the company you now own (that is what OWNER means in your signature on the emails, right?) until past due debts have been satisfied.
Simple concept.
Why does it seem to be so hard to understand?
Hell, I'd jump on your bandwagon had you SHUTTERED your website for new orders and put a statement up saying no new orders will be taken until past due debts have been satisfied.
But that's not going to happen... now is it?