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The current status of Ram Controls:
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: hatrick on July 21, 2011, 02:09:46 pm ---There is absolutely no logical explanation for this other than Dan is fronting for Dave to try and please the masses before the crap hits the fan with legal troubles. Think about it. Dave owes you money/product that you are pretty sure you will never see. In steps the hero Dan that promises SOMETHING to pay you back. Getting anything is better than nothing, so you accept alternate parts to cover what you are owed. You don't get what you paid for, but you get something, so Dave no longer has to worry about you coming after him. Mission accomplished.
50 Star Wars Yokes at about $250 each? That's $12,500. Lets be conservative and say they cost Ram $100 in parts & labor. That leaves a whopping $7500 for Dan to live off of, and recover his massive debt that Dave owes him? Dan would have to be the WORST business man in history (behind Dave) to accept this arrangement as payment for his debt. He would never make a dime off of this sinking ship. The only logical explanation is that Dan is fronting for Dave to cover Dave's ass.
Think about it people. Don't be so naive.
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This is what Dan said:
--- Quote ---I have in my possession the parts to build 200 Star Wars Yokes. I do have to have several parts welded and powder coated but I have all of the parts to make them. At the current retail price of $350 that works out to $70K, MUCH more than the debt that is outstanding. And that is just ONE item. It takes me about two hours to build each one so the the only limitation right now is my time. I am fortunate enough to have a fiance that wants to help and understands how to build these controllers so it is not just me. I am also working to complete several of the projects that Dave started, specifically the BZ bellows, the Tempest Spinner, and the SD - MH conversion boards. Believe me there is more than enough assets in the company to take care of everyone, it will just take time.
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leapinlew:
--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on July 21, 2011, 03:17:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: hatrick on July 21, 2011, 02:09:46 pm ---There is absolutely no logical explanation for this other than Dan is fronting for Dave to try and please the masses before the crap hits the fan with legal troubles. Think about it. Dave owes you money/product that you are pretty sure you will never see. In steps the hero Dan that promises SOMETHING to pay you back. Getting anything is better than nothing, so you accept alternate parts to cover what you are owed. You don't get what you paid for, but you get something, so Dave no longer has to worry about you coming after him. Mission accomplished.
50 Star Wars Yokes at about $250 each? That's $12,500. Lets be conservative and say they cost Ram $100 in parts & labor. That leaves a whopping $7500 for Dan to live off of, and recover his massive debt that Dave owes him? Dan would have to be the WORST business man in history (behind Dave) to accept this arrangement as payment for his debt. He would never make a dime off of this sinking ship. The only logical explanation is that Dan is fronting for Dave to cover Dave's ass.
Think about it people. Don't be so naive.
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BYOACians have a storied history of being RAMmed by RAM. Over... and over... and over again.
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You are totally coming off like an ass dude. I realize you are coming from a good place and trying to do good, but really all you've done is bully anyone who disagrees with you.
FrizzleFried:
Dan has also said he's now the sole owner of RAM yet has provided exactly ZERO proof.
FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on July 21, 2011, 03:46:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on July 21, 2011, 03:17:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: hatrick on July 21, 2011, 02:09:46 pm ---There is absolutely no logical explanation for this other than Dan is fronting for Dave to try and please the masses before the crap hits the fan with legal troubles. Think about it. Dave owes you money/product that you are pretty sure you will never see. In steps the hero Dan that promises SOMETHING to pay you back. Getting anything is better than nothing, so you accept alternate parts to cover what you are owed. You don't get what you paid for, but you get something, so Dave no longer has to worry about you coming after him. Mission accomplished.
50 Star Wars Yokes at about $250 each? That's $12,500. Lets be conservative and say they cost Ram $100 in parts & labor. That leaves a whopping $7500 for Dan to live off of, and recover his massive debt that Dave owes him? Dan would have to be the WORST business man in history (behind Dave) to accept this arrangement as payment for his debt. He would never make a dime off of this sinking ship. The only logical explanation is that Dan is fronting for Dave to cover Dave's ass.
Think about it people. Don't be so naive.
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BYOACians have a storied history of being RAMmed by RAM. Over... and over... and over again.
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You are totally coming off like an ass dude. I realize you are coming from a good place and trying to do good, but really all you've done is bully anyone who disagrees with you.
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If me "coming off like an ass" saves a single person a single dollar... I've done my job. I'll accept the "ass" label gladly.
On the other hand... if you encouraging people to give Dan a chance causes a single person to LOSE a single dollar... where does that put you Lew?
You've been around long enough to have seen this pattern. My quoted comment applies... Backside still sore or has it healed up enough to take another round?
I'm an "ass"...
You're possibly helping a copy known to have "scammed people out of thousands of dollars"...
I'll be the ass... thank you.
EDIT: Handle temporarily changed in honor of Lew.
HaRuMaN:
lol who changed your name? :laugh2: