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The current status of Ram Controls:
Woodshop Flunky:
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--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on June 16, 2011, 10:39:42 am ---...pay back the people Dave Adams STOLE from...
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--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on June 16, 2011, 10:45:28 am ---It sucks you disrespect this community so much you'd do business with someone who STOLE FROM IT.
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I thought you said Dave was the theif?
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Welp.... I now know what folder to "file" you under.
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Sorry... I don't get that response. :dizzy:
I'm not defending this new guy, but I've read plenty of bad things about Dave. I haven't heard anyone yet indicate that Dan is trying to steal from folks. If he does what he says (still a big IF), and steps in and makes these products available to this community while trying to make right what Dave has done, then this is good.
dan_ram:
A company is two things, the products that they sell and the people who run it.. The products that Ram Controls sell are unequaled in quality and no one else makes many of the parts we sell. The other part of the business is the people who run it. The people involved are basically myself and my soon to be wife, and we are the people running the business not Dave. I have not defended what David did, in fact I think he ran the business like his own personal piggy bank. He ran it fast and free and really did not care about the truth, telling the truth only when it served his needs. I could go on about my personal opinions about how he ran Ram Controls but at this point it is not helpful.
I have run many businesses before and I have instituted real management procedures, I have included those who are owed as part of the liabilities in the profit / loss statements of the company. I have a real accounting system in use. It is in my best interests to take care of all of the people who are owed. As to the comments discouraging people from buying from me you are actually harming the community by your posts. One you are increasing the level of controversy rather than trying to solve the problem. Secondly, as many other people who understand business have posted, if there is no revenue there is no money to pay for postage / UPS fees, no money to resupply parts so others can get what they might want for what is owed, and no survival of the company. Another has stated that I should come up with some other revenue stream then sales. I ask how, the only revenue stream that Ram Controls has and can have is sales. This kind of posts actually are harming all of those who are owed something from Ram Controls. I understand that many of you may have your own personal opinions but if you are owed something by Ram Controls send me an email and I will take care of it, if you are not then help me help those who are owed not sabotage it.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: matsadona on June 16, 2011, 11:29:26 am ---In one way maybe new (foolish) customers is the only way to help the old customers with outstanding orders?
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It is not the only way. The harder way for him, but the most ethical way, would be to capitalize himself in order to pay off outstanding obligations. It would be the best way to repair the Ram Controls name. I can't believe anyone would actually assume the Ram Controls business anyway. I think it is damaged beyond repair. The smart thing would have been to accept Dave's inventory as settlement for Dan's outstanding balance and leave Dave with the Ram Controls business. That way Dan could have liquidated those assets through ebay, recovered his damages, and been done with the issue. Dave would still be on the hook to us for everything because Dave would still own Ram Controls.
I'm not sure I believe this situation because it seems like such a foolish burden to assume. I will wait and see but Dave has played the "new guy who wants to help" card before.
smalltownguy:
Making the statement that hobbyists (both members of the forums here and at KLOV AND non-members alike) not do business with Ram Controls until the company has made good on past debt is a counter-intuitive generalization. You can't expect a business to stop conducting new business just because it has a debt load. I can't think of very many businesses that operate that way.
Sure, Dan's underwater. But the only way he's going to get out is by conducting new business. Yes, he'll need to capitalize the company to improve solvency. But that process will take time. Any attempt that anyone here makes to discourage new business with Ram Controls does nothing to improve their chances of ever getting their transaction completed. I for one encourage Ram Controls to keep pushing forward with new business. For those who have old business with Ram Controls, you have his email address. Stay in communication with Dan, and make sure he's staying in communication with you. As long as the lines of communication are open and you feel that Dan's doing what he can to make your situation right, then there's no need to complain. Let the man get his work done, and stop trying to sabotage his business model.
EDIT: I see that Dan has responded in kind to my comments. Please listen to what he has to say. Bashing Ram Controls at this point is not the best path forward.
FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: dan_ram on June 16, 2011, 11:33:43 am ---A company is two things, the products that they sell and the people who run it.. The products that Ram Controls sell are unequaled in quality and no one else makes many of the parts we sell. The other part of the business is the people who run it. The people involved are basically myself and my soon to be wife, and we are the people running the business not Dave. I have not defended what David did, in fact I think he ran the business like his own personal piggy bank. He ran it fast and free and really did not care about the truth, telling the truth only when it served his needs. I could go on about my personal opinions about how he ran Ram Controls but at this point it is not helpful.
I have run many businesses before and I have instituted real management procedures, I have included those who are owed as part of the liabilities in the profit / loss statements of the company. I have a real accounting system in use. It is in my best interests to take care of all of the people who are owed. As to the comments discouraging people from buying from me you are actually harming the community by your posts. One you are increasing the level of controversy rather than trying to solve the problem. Secondly, as many other people who understand business have posted, if there is no revenue there is no money to pay for postage / UPS fees, no money to resupply parts so others can get what they might want for what is owed, and no survival of the company. Another has stated that I should come up with some other revenue stream then sales. I ask how, the only revenue stream that Ram Controls has and can have is sales. This kind of posts actually are harming all of those who are owed something from Ram Controls. I understand that many of you may have your own personal opinions but if you are owed something by Ram Controls send me an email and I will take care of it, if you are not then help me help those who are owed not sabotage it.
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I commend you on attempting to right the ship. That said... you bought/obtained a company with a bad reputation and THOUSANDS of dollars owed for product that never saw OR WILL SEE the light of day. You can not expect the community that was screwed the the company to step up and help out until those who were screwed by said company are righted. At that time and ONLY at that time will I back off.
The community is not responsible for your decision to purchase/obtain RAM controls.
From my perspective it would go a lot further for you to get the folks who got screwed by RAM/DAVE paid up FIRST before trying to market your product to the very same community that still has THOUSANDS of dollars unaccounted for.