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FrizzleFried:


--- Quote from: davespicer on June 16, 2011, 11:09:45 am ---I'm quite encouraged by the fact that Dan is discussing the RAM situation in the open like this.

Friz, you seem to get very angry on the behalf of other people.  Those who joined the cockpit preorder list are the ones who have cause to complain.  Maybe they'd like to come here and join the discussion?

Having dealt with Dan recently, I'm inclined to take him on face value and believe that he intends to sort things out.

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Dave


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Dave...i'll give you a pass since your a newb.

This is an "issue" i've been harping on for 5 years now.  Dave/RAM didn't JUST start screwing people.  Dave/RAM has been screwing people for  years.

You don't know the history.  You're commenting from zero perspective.

Don't buy from a thief... just that simple... and RAM is a company that has been stealing from the community.  I don't know how to make that more clear?

If you're really interested in the history...it's all right here on the forums...and at KLOV.


FrizzleFried:


--- Quote from: matsadona on June 16, 2011, 11:12:46 am ---Hm... having an ordinary business with new customers may be necessary to be able to refund the people that have outstanding orders or cash to claim.
Anybody who has been running any kind of business understands that you need a cash flow. Else you can't do anything.
It cost money to send stuff. So if Dan needs to sell some stuff to get money so he can ship previous orders that is perfectly fine with me.

From my point of view it is a good thing that somebody actually tries to do something good of a terrible situation.
Bashing Dan for things Dave is responsible and calling him a thief for isn't maybe the best thing to encourage him...

With that said, I have full respect for people that is pissed off for being fooled by Dave. And yes, in one way he stole money from people here.

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A fool and his money will soon part.

That's about all I can muster at this point.   :dizzy:

ChadTower:


--- Quote from: matsadona on June 16, 2011, 11:12:46 am ---Hm... having an ordinary business with new customers may be necessary to be able to refund the people that have outstanding orders or cash to claim.
Anybody who has been running any kind of business understands that you need a cash flow. Else you can't do anything.
It cost money to send stuff. So if Dan needs to sell some stuff to get money so he can ship previous orders that is perfectly fine with me.
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So the reality is that he took over a business with too high a debt to income ratio to dig out from under.  That is Dan's problem.  Customers would be stupid to do business with Ram Controls until the outstanding orders are settled.  He made a bad decision doing so much business with Dave, like so many of us did, and now in my opinion the man is further under the bus than he was before.  The only way I would ever do business with Ram Controls at this point would be through a known good third party like Ebay.  Something that provides better consumer protection than Paypal alone.

Yes, he needs cash flow to start his process, but it should not be coming from new orders.  Nobody should be ordering from Ram Controls.  I'm not with Frizz that it is some sort of community solidarity issue.  My point of view on this is that it's just plain stupid to place new orders with Ram Controls right now.  Why risk it as a customer?

Spunkmeyer:

I sincerely hope Dan Johnston realizes how deep of a hole he's in.

It would really suck if he didn't have a complete picture of how many people have been scammed over the years by RAM Controls:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78


matsadona:

In one way maybe new (foolish) customers is the only way to help the old customers with outstanding orders?
Of course, I totally second that the oldest orders should be expedited first hand, before the new orders....

And yes I have read all old post in this matter, and it is my understanding that Dave's booking and records of orders isn't the best. So that might also be a reason for why it takes time to track down all outstanding orders.

And I also agree that Dan has taken on a quest that isn't easy to accomplish. RAM Controls has a really bad name and there is a lot to do before everything is OK.
As far as I understand he has been shipping out some old orders, so lets all hope he is the real thing and will continue doing that.
It would be very sad if it is just another smart scam getting new orders (=money) and it all ends up the same way as before.


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