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Donkbaca:
Having actually worked on fraud cases, they are a waste of time.  In order to prove fraud, you have to prove intent.  If you report it to the cops, then its completely out of your hands and up to the government to decide if they want to pursue it.  We aren't talking millions of bucks here, don't think the cops are chomping at the bit to get after someone because of a few broken promises to arcade nerds.  Now if he was passing bad checks, or ripped off a bank, that would be different, but I really doubt the cops care about stuff like this, they have better ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to do.  That leaves civil recourse, of course, that is also a huge waste of time.  You spend all of this time and money hoping to get your money back, but you never do.  Most people that steal money or commit fraud do so so they can spend the money, people don't rip off other people so they can put money in their 401(k).  So even IF you win, and get a judgement, chances are the person you have the judgement against has no assets with which to satisfy the judgment. 

Its best to just cut your losses and move on.
bheineck:
Great points except the last one. If ChadTower had just cut his losses and moved on he'd be out several hundred dollars in parts. Same as a bunch of others.


--- Quote from: Donkbaca on June 24, 2011, 04:23:14 pm ---Having actually worked on fraud cases, they are a waste of time.  In order to prove fraud, you have to prove intent.  If you report it to the cops, then its completely out of your hands and up to the government to decide if they want to pursue it.  We aren't talking millions of bucks here, don't think the cops are chomping at the bit to get after someone because of a few broken promises to arcade nerds.  Now if he was passing bad checks, or ripped off a bank, that would be different, but I really doubt the cops care about stuff like this, they have better ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to do.  That leaves civil recourse, of course, that is also a huge waste of time.  You spend all of this time and money hoping to get your money back, but you never do.  Most people that steal money or commit fraud do so so they can spend the money, people don't rip off other people so they can put money in their 401(k).  So even IF you win, and get a judgement, chances are the person you have the judgement against has no assets with which to satisfy the judgment. 

Its best to just cut your losses and move on.

--- End quote ---
bkenobi:
Right, he moved on to the guy that also got screwed and accepted a small percentage of his debt in products.  That guy doesn't owe anyone anything, but since he took the web site, people are trying to move on to him.  Now, in this case, Dan's actively trying to help so I just don't understand people's animosity towards the guy.  I'm just intrigued by what's going on.  I have no intention to place an order (as I said earlier, I'm not in the market for any of this stuff).
Donkbaca:
Hey if anyone wants to sue I'd happily offer my forensic accounting services for 165 bucks an hour and a $5,000 retainer.

RayB:
There was a chick here (Ontario Canada) who solicited donations under the guise that she had cancer. She only got a total of about $4500 but she was still successfully prosecuted for fraud. I seriously doubt fraud laws here are all that different from those of California where they wouldn't go after a guy who took in over $25k worth.

It wouldn't take a forensic genius to sort out if he got money and sent nothing.
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