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rikitiki:
@delgar thats the bigest crock Ive ever heard, and the sad part is its proably all true.
lets split things apart so much transfering entitys and properties so much that nobodys accountable.

like you said Dan has no legal resposblity to do so.
and basically good luck getting blood from a turnup.
god bless america and its loop hool thinking :angry:

lets fund everybody owed with 10 dollar tubes of nyogel and other misc parts in stock
Im sure those that paid thousands into cockpits will be happy to hear that.
 :applaud:
RayB:
Dan, what's your Ebay seller name?
JustMichael:

--- Quote from: dan_ram on June 16, 2011, 02:50:21 pm ---He started using Ram Controls money to survive. He has a wife and five kids and sometimes being on the brink of homelessness when you have a big family will make people do things they should not do.
--- End quote ---

Hopefully the State of California will give Dave a nice "home"...
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: rikitiki on June 16, 2011, 03:33:43 pm ---well for starters the films are currently in my possession
and have no intentions of screening them for RamControls
and Dave was told this numerous times as well as to remove that information.
I dont think I need to get into the details of the absolute ridiculas claims Dave was making and of his delusions of grandure.

--- End quote ---

Hang on here.... Going O.T.

Are you the dude who snagged crazy amounts of old Atari materials when Atari closed their headquarters? I recall someone snagging oodles of manuals, memos, films and pallets of other stuff. I know he started scanning and posting the more interesting bits but since a particular install of an annoying OS that shall remain nameless decided to barf all over my files I haven't been able to recover the URL or the name of the person.
Ragtag83:
Outside perspective:

Dave screwed over many people. Ram Controls lost all respect in the community. The community demands repayment. - I understand this.

Dan aquires the company after vague legal mumble jumble i don't understand. Instead of running with whatever repayment he could have made he decides to attempt to salvage Ram Controls, worth it or not is one's own opinion and only time will tell who is correct. Dan also decides, to accomplish this, he should do his best to repay those that are owed. - I also understand this

What I don't understand is the argument against him. Yes, if he was indeed Dave, it would make sense but all evidence says he is not. Alright. Next argument I see is why? Why didn't he grab what money he could and run? Maybe I am naive, but is there no one left with good business ethics out there any more? I think it will help recover the business in respect to the community and is just the right thing to do.  Changing the name would have only made things worse in my opinion. It would come out where the inventory came from and all hell to pay from the community from there. Also I see argument of advertisement. I admit, I don't scour this site but I do love it, I have seen no advertisment but only an attempt to right past wrongs that are not Dan's. People demand things be made right and rightfully so. But why argue to the one that is currently attempting to do so. I am not saying that he will right all wrongs or will indeed accomplish what he says, but as of now, the evidence says that is the direction.

I guess what I am really wondering is if Dan was able to grab all of the inventory and sell it with no connection to Ram Controls would anyone have a problem with that? That no one will get repayed for what was owed.  The inventory would dry up. How is that any better than what he is currently doing it? I doubt my confusion is being portrayed in my post but I just don't get the argument against Dan. Makes absolutely no sense other than an anger to company that really doesn't exsist any more.
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