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pointdablame:

--- Quote from: Cynicaster on June 09, 2011, 01:55:53 pm ---Sheesh, didn’t mean to ruffle any feathers. 

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Yes you did.


--- Quote ---As usual, valid criticism of the infallible Apple is summarily dismissed as haterism.  Maybe I should have mentioned that I’ve owned and loved multiple iPods, including a touch, which currently gets the most use.  This is a rather strange purchase history for a knee-jerk hater of Apple products, wouldn’t you say?

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Ahh it only took you til the 2nd sentence to dismiss my comment as someone who is in the cult of Apple and thinks they're infallible.  Well done -- I see you've done this before.  You can own as many Apple products as you'd like and still make an assinine comment that is only meant to mock others... which you proved.  Me personally, I've only owned an iPhone and iPad from Apple.  I find their PCs a bit overpriced and have never bothered.  Not that it matters.


--- Quote ---Allow me to explain myself. <snip>

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If I might offer some advice... why not try to explain yourself in a first post instead of coming off like a tool and then trying to backtrack?  As for your assessment, you're not wrong.  I however was not at all in the market for a laptop.  I don't want one and have very little use for one.  I have a triple monitor PC set up at home that is my preferred browser when I'm home.  I had an aging 10" netbook that was rather slow and was used when I travel, to carry to work, to do quick browsing, etc.  Guess what?  The iPad PERFECTLY replaced that.  Its exactly what I needed... and not only because Steve Jobs told me I needed it!!


--- Quote ---But it all depends on what you pay for things, right?  Laptops may trounce the iPad in most objective measures, but at what cost?  Oh, wait…
Price.  Advantage: laptop (here in Canada a 64 GB iPad is about $800… I could almost get 2 entry level laptops for that)

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There's definitely a price premium there -- you got one.  Personally I sold the netbook and got the iPad for about what I was gonna spend on a new netbook, but that's just my situation.  I also had zero need for the highest price iPad.


--- Quote ---Feel free to explain what I’m missing. 

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Tact for one thing.  Otherwise, you're completely discounting that people have different use cases and desires in their electronics.  I could have gotten a laptop... but I didn't want one.  That in and of itself was enough for me.  I had no need for it, so I looked for an alternative.  Seems like you refuse to look at any other alternative simply because you are used to laptops.  Fine... no need to call people stupid for making a choice other than your own.


--- Quote ---I’ve spent quite a bit of time using the iPad for one of it’s purported strong points—web surfing.  Does it work?  Sure.  Does it look nice?  Sure.  But what I’ve found is that I get sick and tired of resizing windows, pinching the screen to zoom in and out, accidentally hitting wrong links because my fingers are too fat, going to sites with content that the crappy browser won’t support, trying to send off a quick reply to a friend and having my 80 WPM typing ability reduced to about 10 WPM, having the screen rotate on me when I don’t want it to, etc. 

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Hopefully you can understand that your experience isn't necessarily that of everyone.  I type just fine on my iPhone and iPad.  It took some getting used to for sure, but I type rather quick on it without any issues at all.  I also find its browsing capabilities to be pretty solid, though I do choose to use other browsers than Safari a lot of times for a more full rounded browsing experience.


--- Quote ---I just don’t see how anybody who is being completely honest with themselves could possibly NOT reach the conclusion that the iPad web surfing experience is markedly inferior to what can be had on a laptop that costs half as much.

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You can't see it because you apparently refuse to believe that your personal opinions are anything but written in stone.  They're not.  I can see why you'd prefer a laptop, so you won't see me saying that you're a dumbass for not choosing the shiny iPad.


--- Quote ---So, if you take away the glitz—the cool animations, bright colours, “sexy” sleek appearance—what is left, and how is it worth more money than existing technologies?   

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What is left for me is a lightweight device that almost perfectly suits my needs.  I can remote into my PC when neeeded, log into my work connection remotely, play games, browse the web, carry it around without even realizing its there, and get 12 hours of battery life.  Oh and the shiny colors!!  Man the shiny colors!!!!
robertsig:
pointdablame- To be fair, and to play devil's advocate, I don't know anyone who types faster or better on a touchscreen vs a keyboard.  Don't go far off the other end to make a point.  Web browsing on a PC/Mac with a keyboard or mouse is indeed much easier, as is VNC/RDP.  I've never heard anyone (else) make a claim otherwise.  The point of tablets is they can be more convenient at times.
pointdablame:
No I agree with you 100%.  To be fair though, I don't think I implied that i type FASTER on my iPad... just that I type at a very reasonable pace.  I have no problems typing at a good clip, though I'm absolutely positive that I'm a good bit slower on the iPad compared to any physical keyboard.

It's mostly about time with the device.  Give me a blackberry and I absolutely can NOT type on it... because I've never used one for more than 5 mins at a time.  I don't know how the hell people type on those things as fast as they do, but if I get one in my hands, I'm probably typing at 5wpm.

That was more my point... if you get used to it, you can type rather quickly on an iPad

EDIT:  I will partially disagree on browsing being easier on a PC though.  I find it to be a similar "difficulty" on either device, albeit different.  Tapping links is no harder for me than mousing, and typing in URLs or small bursts of text as I personally typically do when browsing isn't much different on either the iPad or PC.  It's more what I'm looking to do at the time -- if I want to browse a lot of pages at a time, and don't have to be mobile, I"m absolutely at my PC with all that screen real estate.  /shrug
Cynicaster:

--- Quote ---As for gimmicky apps, **ANYTHING** I can do on my notebook, I can do from my iPads. Once I remote in, the iPad is simply another interface to my existing systems.

It ain't rocket science, you should actually try it sometime.
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So, if I understand you, your response to my general criticism of the iPad’s cost/benefit ratio (as compared to existing/established technologies) is that it doesn’t matter, because the iPad can be employed as a “viewer” that offloads the heavy lifting to… well, you guessed it… the existing/established technologies.  This is what I simply cannot swallow—a model where the “viewer” costs just as much as the “powerplant”.  Hey, it’s your money.

“It ain’t rocket science”… never head that one before.  I wonder if the iPad Witticism Generator App will work on my Touch…. 


--- Quote ---PC's are for content creation.  Tablets are only for content consumption.
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The creation/consumption dichotomy as applied to computers/tablets definitely seems to be the right way to look at it.  For us over here in the Faction of the Unconvinced ™, this is definitely a start down the path to possibly one day embracing the technology.  But as things stand today, I guess I’m just too damn frugal or something.  When faced with the choice of either A) a device that “consumes” for the price of $XYZ; or B) a device that both “creates” AND “consumes” for the price of $XYZ (or less), it strikes me as somewhat of a no-brainer.   


--- Quote --- Is there anything a tablet does better than a laptop?  Technically, no.  It is not better.  But it is more convenient sometimes.  It's always available, always on, and its battery does beat a laptop easily.  If you have it sitting on your coffee table and want to play a quick game, or look up a TV show on IMDB, it's "faster" to use than a laptop.
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Everybody I’ve discussed this with says these same types of things, and I don’t disagree with them at all.  I just think there is a major cost/benefit problem with the iPad as it is priced today.  Sure, it provides moments of convenience.  But are the incremental improvements in convenience under such very specific circumstances commensurate with the price premium?  I just don’t see it.  If you haven’t figured it out yet, my major beef with the iPad is that I think the price goes beyond what could rightly be called a “premium”, and verges on being outright highway robbery.  I’m 34 years old and expect to have my mortgage paid in full next August—I can afford an iPad at pretty much any ludicrous price Jobs wants to slap onto it.  But no matter how much mad money I have in my pocket, I refuse to pay frivolous premiums for things that can be had elsewhere for a reasonable price. 

I know, I know… “if you don’t want to buy one, don’t buy one”.  Well, I won’t, thanks.  But it still bothers me to see big corporations swamping the world with essentially disposable pieces of plastic and silicon—meant to be used for a year or two and then tossed into the landfill in favor of the next “gotta have it” thing.  I mean, lining up around the block for an iPad 2 when you just bought an original model 6 months prior?  It’s sad, really.  (cue tree-hugger joke—I can take it)
     

--- Quote ---To assume that the 3 million people that have bought iPad's are just misinformed Mac fanatics with 'more money than brains' is not only incredibly insulting it's just flat out wrong.
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Mikezilla:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on June 09, 2011, 05:39:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on June 09, 2011, 05:23:22 pm ---Cheffo, did I read that right? Do you have 3 iPads? Why the hell do you need 3 of the damn things?

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Yep.

Many here know that I have two kids with Autism and the iPad is a great tool for those kids.

First iPad was a gift for my daughter from my sister-in-law. Second was my first iPad. Third is my iPad2. Tablets are an important platform for my company, so I am playing with a bunch of them. All except the iPads have been sent back so far ... And they are the first Apple products I have purchased in decades.

Guess I have more money than brains...

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Good deal. Glad that you are putting them to good use. I didnt know 2 of your kids have Autism, now I know!

Haha, I guess so. Does that suck?  :lol
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