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Xiaou2:
--- Quote ---That's crazy talk. 90% of the skill in pinball is ball control.
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If we were to compare this to racing a car... One could say that its over 90% control of the car right? But what if the driver slowed to 10 mph on the corners? (but didnt need to go anywhere near that slow)
Yes, control over the car is very important, but... what takes more skill? Taking the corners at high speed.. or slow speeds?
What about Tennis? If the tennis player was able to catch the ball at any time... then fire it back at will? Obviously it takes skill to stop/catch the ball... but it also changes the overall difficulty of play.
A ball thats moving at great speed, increasing with each hit, with changing spin, becomes harder and harder to keep under control. To me, thats much more fun and exciting that stopping the ball and taking the 10mph corner.
--- Quote ---From what I've seen of those top ranked players, a lot of them will just make the same safe shot over and over again.
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Well, I found it somewhat comical that one of the top tournament winners consistently, was a former pinball programmer. Its not that hes a not a good player... but rather, he knows all the software quirks and ways to amass the most points. If you take that advantage away, he probably would be bested by some of the other players.
--- Quote ---I don't tend to trap and hold the balls, but I do shake the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of my machines.
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Me Too.
--- Quote ---I can't even imagine how a pinball machine would be able to determine that you're holding a ball and if you set them up so that the flipper only engages for a second every time you hit the button you're going to feel extremely detached from the experience.
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Electronically. I dont think there would be any disconnect.. especially to those who do not abuse ball stopping & holding.
Jeff AMN:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 28, 2011, 05:21:41 am ---
--- Quote ---That's crazy talk. 90% of the skill in pinball is ball control.
--- End quote ---
If we were to compare this to racing a car... One could say that its over 90% control of the car right? But what if the driver slowed to 10 mph on the corners? (but didnt need to go anywhere near that slow)
Yes, control over the car is very important, but... what takes more skill? Taking the corners at high speed.. or slow speeds?
What about Tennis? If the tennis player was able to catch the ball at any time... then fire it back at will? Obviously it takes skill to stop/catch the ball... but it also changes the overall difficulty of play.
A ball thats moving at great speed, increasing with each hit, with changing spin, becomes harder and harder to keep under control. To me, thats much more fun and exciting that stopping the ball and taking the 10mph corner.
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Pinball isn't racing or tennis. Pinball also isn't shaving, making cookies, tying your shoes, holding your breath underwater, or running through a forest with your eyes closed at night. Just want to make sure you know.
Xiaou2:
Way to counter argue.
How about I type a bunch of random characters as a reply, as that has about the same value as the post you just made.
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Xiaou2:
Pinball IS what its designed to be.
Originally, pinball was merely a ball dropping randomly through some metal nails.
Almost no user interaction at all.
Next adding shakable action, with rubber bumpers and coils.
Then flippers.
Each game is designed to operate in different ways. The principle is the same, but the game has changed, and can continue to change, like anything else.
studmuff:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 29, 2011, 01:08:32 am ---Pinball IS what its designed to be.
Originally, pinball was merely a ball dropping randomly through some metal nails.
Almost no user interaction at all.
Next adding shakable action, with rubber bumpers and coils.
Then flippers.
Each game is designed to operate in different ways. The principle is the same, but the game has changed, and can continue to change, like anything else.
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Exactly, the game went from one of chance to one of skill.
You can play them how you want. I'm not saying your wrong or right. Everyone has their style of play.
Your tennis analogy is true for tennis.
It's very hard to catch a tennis ball moving at high speeds. It's also hard to catch a pinball at high speeds.
Most tennis players also don't run out on the court and hit every shot as hard as they can and wildly swing there arms. There is finense, skill. Lob shots, volleys, overheads, etc. Ever hear of a drop shot.
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