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Donkbaca:


--- Quote ---1) Because many people credit the genre with ending the arcade experience.
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I don't get this.  Like I said, SF2 came out in 1992. You name one game between 1986 and 1992 that is considered a classic?  People talk like everyone was huddled around smoking cigs and playing Kong and then all of a sudden they were evicted to make room for SF2.  That's just not the case.  Like I said before, to me, the ultimate arcade experience is people all gathered together competing and enjoying the intricacies of a game, to me the beat em ups, and fighters fo the 90's capture this aracade experience.  Someone please explain what this old arcade experience was, and I am being sincere, what was it, and how was it better than watching your competition, trying to learn every nook and cranny of a game and then putting your quarter up to save your place for next?  Because that is the 90's arcade experience.



--- Quote ---2) Becuase a lot of kids from that generation think this was "the golden era of the arcade" when really it was a resurgence of something prior.
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So is it a resurgence? Or a completely diferent experience that destroyed the old arcade feel?


--- Quote ---3) Because those games suck compared to the old school arcade games, they weren't much different than similar games that were being played on computers or consoles at the time.
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Old arcade games weren't that different from similar games being played at home.  Arcade games have always been ported to home consoles, that was the major selling points of original consoles, the arcade at home.  Plus, like I said, the best thing about the arcades wasn't the games themselves, it was the interactions you had with other people over the games.


--- Quote ---However if you look at something like Ms. Pacman, it's so unique and original. Nothing during it's time could emulate that game other than the cab itself. So it stands on it's own merits very highly. Fighter games were being played on PS1 in the 90's for a lot less money.
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You could play pacman on home consoles, and any fight fan would tell you that playing a game on a controller sucks compared to playing one on arcade controls.


--- Quote ---They were unoriginal and not that special. Two guys fighting each other? or a crazy pie shaped creature eating dots trying to avoid crazy dudes with sheets over their heads?
No contest on all fronts.
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This is pure opinion.  You know what is great about fighters?  They are meant to be played against people.  Unlike Pac Man, or Kong, which you can get good at by being robot-like and memorizing patterns, fighters are great because people are unpredictable, you never know what character your opponent will pick or what strategy they will employ.  Fighters are much, much more deep

Mikezilla:
Its like, youre reading my mind Donk. Everything I would have said, thanks for typing it all for me!  >:D :cheers:

Bootay:
I agree Donk, and I AM one of the "old people". I am 38 years old. I was hanging around arcades and party stores with a small 3-4 game selection almost my whole life. Sure, in the beginning I was a kid but still old enough to ride my bike to the arcades and spend my own money playing on my own without my parents.

But I agree that the fighter thing is pure opinion and not fact. Fighters didn't kill the arcade because MK, MK2 and MK3 from what I remember were gigantic at my local arcades. I mean so many people were crowded around those games that you could barely get in there to see let alone play. SF2 may have over saturated themselves but they were equally as popular, especially later during the Vs. era. Also crowds and crowds of people around those. My local arcades (there were only 2 left during the fighter era) were packed and it was all because of SF and MK. Then when the 3D fighters came out they became equally as packed just because of those games. (VF, Tekken, etc.)

I noticed that once the PS1 came out and you could play 100% faithful versions of these games at home, the need to go to the arcades became less, but I personally would rather play them at the arcade. Most people wouldn't though.

You could play console version of most arcade games in the past but it was never the same, or close but no cigar. I remember one of the things I used to say back in the days of Atari/Intellivision/ColecoVision/NES/SNES/SMS/Genesis was "....and it looks almost like the arcade version!" But now it is expected to look exactly like the arcade version. And has been expected ever since the PS1. The PS1 was the first time we were playing 100% faithful versions of arcade games at home as far as I can remember anyway.

But back to the point...the fighters brought people in to the arcades in the 90s. The arcades were banking during the fighter genre days. I think that most of them shut down because you could buy Tekken 3 and play it at home on your PS1 so why bother going to the arcade and pay to play something you already own? Just because I would rather play the arcade version doesn't mean the vast majority of people felt the same. It is obvious that they didn't feel the same way.
 
So I guess in my opinion, for most people, higher powered consoles that could produce 100% faithful arcade versions is what killed the arcades. But what killed it personally for me is the fact that they are no longer around because I would still go and still do when I run across one.

DNA Dan:
Dude my comments aren't necessarily how I feel, I was just throwing that out there as some of the reasons people say they hate on fighter games.

I have nothing but luv for the donk and his fighter expertise :afro:

I agree about the "games of my youth" statement. Afterall, even the classics were predated by arcades of the '70s with pinball machines and the like.

saint:

--- Quote from: Mikezilla on April 27, 2011, 11:51:22 am ---
--- Quote from: DNA Dan on April 27, 2011, 11:33:59 am ---
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on April 27, 2011, 11:25:37 am ---[Yeah, why is there so much hate towards the fighter games?
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I'll take a stab at this:

1) Because many people credit the genre with ending the arcade experience.
2) Becuase a lot of kids from that generation think this was "the golden era of the arcade" when really it was a resurgence of something prior.
3) Because those games suck compared to the old school arcade games, they weren't much different than similar games that were being played on computers or consoles at the time.

However if you look at something like Ms. Pacman, it's so unique and original. Nothing during it's time could emulate that game other than the cab itself. So it stands on it's own merits very highly. Fighter games were being played on PS1 in the 90's for a lot less money. They were unoriginal and not that special. Two guys fighting each other? or a crazy pie shaped creature eating dots trying to avoid crazy dudes with sheets over their heads?
No contest on all fronts.

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All good points, but I think the reason why people hate the fighter games the most, is because they were the last real games that didnt have a gimmick, that died with the arcades themselves. There were many other factors that people already mentioned as to the reason why arcades died out. I remember asking an arcade operator here in San Diego when he said he was going to close down, I asked why, and he said that the electric bill for the place was too damn high. There are a bunch of factors why arcades died, but I doubt the fighter genre was the reason.

Going to the last point, I know Ill probably get reemed for this because most of the people on here are old(no offense guys) but some of the classics suck, and the only reason you like them is the same reason I like the fighter games:they were popular when you were young. Like someone else mentioned, the classics only had you try to beat the others score. Some unamed initials, sitting there, mocking you while you try to get the higher score in there so you can be at the top of list of other suckers OR you can actaully watch as your skills break down some other punk kid and they walk away going to get more quarters because they think they can beat you. And of course, you know, that they cant, and its so enjoyable. I imagine the feeling you get is akin to drinking unicorn blood. Or something close at least.

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Pong was the first fighter :)

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