Author Topic: Beavis and Butthead Arcade on Ebay, was this PCB ever dumped? (Read 14915 times)

mrclean · « **on:** April 22, 2011, 09:15:28 pm »

saw this : http://cgi.ebay.com/BEAVIS-AND-BUTTHEAD-JAMMA-ARCADE-MACHINE-RARE-/110665975726?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c434c7ae

wonder if the PCB has ever been dumped before looks like a fun game. let's chip in and contact the guru. I remember a PC version where you would hock a loogie off the school building.

nitz · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2011, 01:52:04 am »

Huhuh-uh-huhuh. You said dumped.

Sorry, couldn't resist!

Don't think it's been dumped. I remember seeing this in a list of undumped arcade games once.

Here's what youtube turns up:

I really hope someone who will share this with the mame team wins the auction!

pinballwizard79 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2011, 02:20:38 am »

Nice, we should email the seller to get it dumped before selling it

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2011, 03:15:56 am »

I don't know if supply and demand necessarily go with the price they are asking.. $:-\$

alfonzotan · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2011, 08:51:02 am »

Quote from: pinballwizard79 on April 23, 2011, 02:20:38 am

Nice, we should email the seller to get it dumped before selling it

Whoa. That would be cool!

TOK · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2011, 08:51:26 am »

I think this isn't dumped because the owners know the rarity is the only reason its valuable. Not sure if its this specific machine, but these have turned up for auction before at extravagant prices and not sold.

RayB · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2011, 01:40:24 pm »

From the ad:

" Cabinet has NEW overlay, NEW marquee, NEW joysticks, NEW buttons, & NEW T-molding. "
" This was customized and has to be seen to be believed. "

In other words, the seller made this cabinet.

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #7 on:** April 23, 2011, 05:14:33 pm »

Quote from: TOK on April 23, 2011, 08:51:26 am

I think this isn't dumped because the owners know the rarity is the only reason its valuable. Not sure if its this specific machine, but these have turned up for auction before at extravagant prices and not sold.

Of course they can't sell. I mean, rare, sure. But who would pay this price for something that most people wouldn't even want? Nobody could want this enough to pay that price. Not any person is sleepless thinking “I need a Beavis and Butthead cabinet, and money is no object!!” I don't think any person could want this enough to pay this price. Even insane millionaires.

And honestly, the screens I saw in that video look A LOT like I remember the PC version playing. Does anybody know the manufacturer? Is there any official record of this as an actual cabinet?

TheSlim · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2011, 07:39:54 pm »

The dumping union will buy this. That is why it is that price. I am going to email about donating for this specific rom. Even if it is a terrible game, it is still rare.

To the poster above, this uses 3d0 hardware. Not sure how easy it would be to MAME.

Dervacumen · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2011, 07:37:15 am »

I think that was built off one of the prototype boards and is not one of the original dedicated machines.

alfonzotan · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2011, 09:25:59 am »

I apologize in advance, but this thread just screams for more (bad) jokes...

BUTT-HEAD: "Hey, Beavis, uh huh hu huh... I think all these guys want to watch you take a dump!"

BEAVIS: "NO WAY! Heh heh heh heh... I do sorta need to pinch a loaf, though... heh heh heh."

Or...

BUTT-HEAD: "Whoa, Beavis... maybe they'll put you in a Woody! Uh huh huh huh... that would be cool."

BEAVIS: "Heh heh heh... yeah. Uh... wait, that sounds like it would suck, Butt-head."

BUTT-HEAD: "Shut up, fartknocker, or I'll kick your ass and make you play Pong all day. Uh huh huh huh..."

BEAVIS: "Heh heh heh... 'Pong.' That's kind of cool. Ponnnnnng!"

Or...

BEAVIS: "Hey, Butt-head! Check it out, they've got Satan's Hollow! With FIRE!"

BUTT-HEAD: "YES!" (makes Devil horns and headbangs at the game)

bkenobi · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2011, 11:35:39 am »

The seller also states that the board is broken. Why would anyone pay that price for a broken game even if it is rare since they would have to get it shopped to fix it? Maybe that's why I only have MAME cabinets rather than dedicated since I can fix one and not the other.

markronz · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2011, 01:19:15 pm »

Yeah I'd have to agree it's overpriced. BUT I would LOVE to have this in MAME! I'm sure the PCB just has something loose. Hopefully someday we get to play this!

scream1973 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2011, 04:37:23 pm »

How is the board broken when he states in the auction - "In terms of playability, the game resets at random sometimes but is playable all the way through the game"

crashwg · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2011, 05:19:28 pm »

Quote from: scream1973 on April 25, 2011, 04:37:23 pm

How is the board broken when he states in the auction - "In terms of playability, the game resets at random sometimes but is playable all the way through the game"

I think most people would call random resets broken...

TOK · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2011, 05:28:01 pm »

Quote from: crashwg on April 25, 2011, 05:19:28 pm

Quote from: scream1973 on April 25, 2011, 04:37:23 pm
How is the board broken when he states in the auction - "In terms of playability, the game resets at random sometimes but is playable all the way through the game"

I think most people would call random resets broken...

I thought this had to do with the game not being complete, not a physical issue. I didn't read this guys auction, just going by what I read about the game in the past.

LeedsFan · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2011, 06:07:53 pm »

The machine up for auction looks nothing like the machine in the video clip. The vid clip cabinet has side art and the CP is a metal one piece affair like Robotron with art that goes over the front. Machine up for auction is a nice build... but it's just a home made thing and simply not worth that price tag. Marquee looks a little different too (vid marquee seems to have a copyright notice that's not on the auction cab)

EDIT: Just watched the second linked video and the CP is completely different. Strange.... The way the cabinet profile thins out and goes straight up at the marquee area is not copied at all on the cab that's up for auction.

mrclean · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2011, 07:15:08 pm »

I figured it was worth a shot... I did send the eBay user a message:

"Dear gametimevault,

Being that this game is rare, you should contact the Guru, and loan him the PCB so he can have it dumped properly to preserve the game and also have it readily available for everyone else to enjoy in MAME.

http://guru.mameworld.info/comments.html"

he responded;

"How about you or someone else purchase it and do that?

- gametimevault"

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2011, 07:44:26 pm »

Why would you expect anything otherwise?

Dumping roms is no guarantee that the game will fire back up. Sometimes the act of dumping them can damage them... and since he wants to recover the investment, he will let someone else decide if its worth the risks.

Not to mention, Guru isnt even on the map. Meaning, you will get a PO box. No phone number, no home address. No guarantee that you will ever get your stuff back, even if it worked afterwords.. and no way to sue/prosecute him for stole goods... or goods that have sat on a shelf for 4 yrs. And... some games need to be trojanned, chips decapped..etc.

Get 900 people together at 5$ a pop, and your all set.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2011, 08:02:33 pm »

I wouldn't spend 5 bucks for that game

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #20 on:** April 27, 2011, 02:37:24 am »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 26, 2011, 08:02:33 pm

I wouldn't spend 5 bucks for that game

For serious. I am 100% against anybody(s) paying the amount of money the seller wants for this game. Not even if you get 9000 people to pay 50 cents each. No.

Opposed.

Xiaou2 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 27, 2011, 04:11:53 am »

Heh, I probably wouldnt spend that much either. As much as the cartoon was funny, Ive seen the console games, and they looked like they didnt play very well. IE: No fun.

wweumina · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2011, 06:11:16 am »

Quote from: scofthe7seas on April 27, 2011, 02:37:24 am

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 26, 2011, 08:02:33 pm
I wouldn't spend 5 bucks for that game

For serious. I am 100% against anybody(s) paying the amount of money the seller wants for this game. Not even if you get 9000 people to pay 50 cents each. No.

Opposed.

The machine is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. That's the nature of supply and demand. Limited supply w/ some demand = high price. As soon as the board is emulated then the demand will be limited to collectors and reduce that side of the equation hence his/her reluctance.

Does anyone think Stadium Events on NES is worth $20k based on gameplay?

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:35:01 am »

Quote from: scofthe7seas on April 23, 2011, 03:15:56 am

I don't know if supply and demand necessarily go with the price they are asking.. $:-\$

If the last spotted owl took a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, and someone scooped it up in a jar, I don't think someone would pay 4500 for it.

And honestly, I feel the spotted owl ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- is more value for your money.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:38:15 am »

scarcity does not equal demand, in fact scarcity could be the result of a lack of demand.

The NES example isn't comparable. There are people out there that collect NES games and are out to collect every single one. There aren't many ( any?) people out there out to collect every single arcade cabinet.

I could really care less if it ever gets dumped, just one more game to add to the filter list...

Haze · « **Reply #25 on:** April 27, 2011, 01:42:11 pm »

Couple of points

1) It's 3D0 hardware, even if it was dumped, neither MAME nor MESS has 3D0 support capable of running games yet and it might be some time before they do, if ever. (Lack of active developers etc.)

2) While the DU will go for rare boards, they also won't be held for ransom. A couple of sellers are doing this as of late, severely overpricing undumped games, clones and revisions, even if they're not THAT rare. The DU simply don't bother, the majority of things will show up again, and as I've already stated, there isn't even the dev team available to emulate beyond the simplest of new dumps.

3) It's allegedly barely complete as a game anyway, just a couple of (bad) minigames thrown together, it's a prototype for a reason, and probably not much fun even if you do own it.

4) It's probably dumped (in some form) somewhere by somebody anyway, the majority of Atari protos are.

5) If it's a CD, that could be even more annoying, there are ongoing arguments still about the dumping quality / accuracy of CDs even for simply systems, nevermind something that's not yet emulated.

There are, in all honesty, more important things to sort out.

wweumina · « **Reply #26 on:** April 27, 2011, 07:36:56 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 27, 2011, 11:38:15 am

scarcity does not equal demand, in fact scarcity could be the result of a lack of demand.

The NES example isn't comparable. There are people out there that collect NES games and are out to collect every single one. There aren't many ( any?) people out there out to collect every single arcade cabinet.

I could really care less if it ever gets dumped, just one more game to add to the filter list...

I did not say that scarcity equalled demand, I said that scarcity with some demand leads to a high price. There is clearly some demand or the ebay auction would have no offers and we wouldn't be talking about it.

I also have very little interest in the board (I couldn't care less if it is dumped) but I am opposed to people being opposed to other people contributing if they feel it is worthwhile.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #27 on:** April 27, 2011, 07:58:16 pm »

nope, scarcity with some demand does not always lead to a high price, there has to be enough demand and supply to lead to a market, otherwise the laws of economics don't apply... but enough about econ.

Nobody buy it. Not worth to buy a ---smurfy--- game in order for it to get dumped in the hopes that in the future it were to get emulated only to be ignored. There are better things to spend resources on.

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #28 on:** April 27, 2011, 08:06:34 pm »

Quote from: wweumina on April 27, 2011, 07:36:56 pm

I did not say that scarcity equalled demand, I said that scarcity with some demand leads to a high price. There is clearly some demand or the ebay auction would have no offers and we wouldn't be talking about it.

I disagree with this. I think people (and us) are talking about it because of the novelty, and the absolutely absurd price. If you look at the auction, there are no offers. I truly hope there never will be. As has been said, this kind of ransoming should not ever be endorsed.

wweumina · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2011, 11:34:57 pm »

Quote from: scofthe7seas on April 27, 2011, 08:06:34 pm

Quote from: wweumina on April 27, 2011, 07:36:56 pm
I did not say that scarcity equalled demand, I said that scarcity with some demand leads to a high price. There is clearly some demand or the ebay auction would have no offers and we wouldn't be talking about it.

I disagree with this. I think people (and us) are talking about it because of the novelty, and the absolutely absurd price. If you look at the auction, there are no offers. I truly hope there never will be. As has been said, this kind of ransoming should not ever be endorsed.

Well on the auction there appear to be 4 offers from 3 different people which have been declined or expired. I don't endorse ransoming but presumably this guy paid a certain amount for it that he is trying to recoup that or make a profit. I'm not trying to be difficult but I just don't think it's reasonable to 'oppose' 900 people who might think this is worth $5 each.

In a market this size, I would suggest it is the supplier basically setting the price as long as there is more than one potential and sufficiently interested customer (which I'm not sure is true but you can't blame the bloke for trying).

scofthe7seas · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:32:42 am »

Quote from: wweumina on April 27, 2011, 11:34:57 pm

I just don't think it's reasonable to 'oppose' 900 people who might think this is worth $5 each.

Fair enough, but only because I know it is an absolute metaphysical impossibility of this ever coming to bear. I'm sure some of the offers made are likely to be what Donkbaca and myself would deem completely ridiculous, but the seller steadfastly stands by his insane price. I sincerely doubt he is trying to "recoup" (this is in quotes, not to mock you, but to emphasize how much I do not believe this to be the case) how ever much he paid, but some kind of scheme based on the rarity and his thoughts on what one of us might potentially pay for this. It's offensive.

Donkbaca · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:52:57 am »

For the record, I am against 900 people chipping in 5 bucks a piece to potentially dump a crappy game that can't be emulated. If half that many people just gave me 5 bucks on the promise that I go to Vegas and document the trip for their amusement, I bet that would result in more entertainment value for their investment

Malenko · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:26:11 am »

for the record you have no idea what the offers were, I could submit an offer of $10 (which is too much) does that justify "demand" ?

Donkbaca · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2011, 11:44:29 am »

No, the concept of demand applies to markets, not enough of these or enough people to really apply market principals to, in my opinion.

You would be better off giving me ten bucks to film my exploits in vegas. You would enjoy that more than the cab.

Malenko · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2011, 01:57:34 pm »

Quote from: Donkbaca on April 28, 2011, 11:44:29 am

No, the concept of demand applies to markets, not enough of these or enough people to really apply market principals to, in my opinion.

You would be better off giving me ten bucks to film my exploits in vegas. You would enjoy that more than the cab.

Typically I dont debate against people who are on the same side as me. Im not even sure how to. I say "theres no demand" and you say "nuh uh there is no demand"

Donkbaca · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2011, 02:25:30 pm »

Sorry

alfonzotan · « **Reply #36 on:** May 05, 2011, 03:54:57 pm »

If anybody cares, it's been relisted, at $1800...

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEAVIS-AND-BUTTHEAD-JAMMA-ARCADE-MACHINE-RARE-/120719728977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b74e151

SavannahLion · « **Reply #37 on:** May 05, 2011, 08:01:33 pm »

Quote from: alfonzotan on May 05, 2011, 03:54:57 pm

If anybody cares, it's been relisted, at $1800...

http://cgi.ebay.com/BEAVIS-AND-BUTTHEAD-JAMMA-ARCADE-MACHINE-RARE-/120719728977?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b74e151

For future reference, it was previously listed at $2.8k.

Paul Olson · « **Reply #38 on:** May 07, 2011, 02:08:29 am »

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=182696

Turnarcades · « **Reply #39 on:** May 07, 2011, 06:42:58 am »

Not sure why everyone gets on their high horse about people selling stuff they think is too expensive. Fact 1 is nobody cares how much you would or wouldn't pay for it and to say you're 'offended' by them holding rare things back at a high price is just stupid. It's not like a public service being held back from the masses, technology being made unavailable to a third world or a government overcharging for a state-controlled system; it's just a frikkin arcade. Fact 2 is that anything up for sale is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. He owns the machine and if it is real, he can try and sell it for whatever he wants. He's got no obligation to the arcade community and as the owner can do what the hell he likes with it.

To try and rally support to boycott him seems a bit extreme and then argue that it's not worth dumping is a bit of a contradiction and childish too. If you care enough about the nostalgia of arcade games you'll hope that all games get dumped some day regardless of the cost/circumstances in which they are obtained, accepting that instances like this will be a missed opportunity and also respecting that this is the real world and one man's tat is another man's treasure so if you don't agree with things like this, remember no-one cares what you think and you should take a reality check.


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