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Xiaou2:
I have a feeling that Dave was trying to stockpile cash in order to get large projects funded. However, this just isnt the correct way to do things... even if it was well intended.
Dave, unlike the SlickStick dude, seems to be very professional and knowledgeable. I wouldnt expect such a person so rip people off, as that could wreck their reputation, and cause them big trouble getting a nice paying job in the future.
I could be wrong...
Then again, maybe this guy is just way too scatterbrained to manage stuff like this. Maybe in huge debt, and no clue about how to get out of it...
Very sad.
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: shilmover on March 04, 2011, 09:34:26 pm ---Attitudes like yours really, really piss me off!
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Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.
rockin_rick:
I am also a KLOV member and have been following along and participating over there. I am one of the people that Dave has screwed over. It was actually a BST thread on THIS forum that he got me. Here is the thread, but he deleted his post not long afterwards.... http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89824
I sent him a money order for $580 for the parts in this post, which were a Williams boardset lot, plus some other parts. They never showed up. He claimed that USPS lost them, but they were insured. He claimed that he filed insurance claims, to which I checked and he didn't. Another KLOV user (BYOAC too?), Powermeup, actually bought the lot. Dave led me on for a long time, and eventually we agreed that he'd send me some parts and owe me a $450 refund. I did receive those few parts, but was still owed $450. That was a long ordeal, to which it was never completed. He claimed how he was using Kalan's PayPal account, and that he would PP the refund to me, but excuses, and more excuses. I gave up hope for a while. This was the time when he was loved for giving away freebies, I didn't think I'd get much sympathy. Then I saw the posts on KLOV about how LOTS of people were in the same situation as me. I contacted Dave, and offered to accept 'store credit' in hopes of actually getting something. He quickly responded and offered me a 2 for 1 deal, meaning that I'd get $900 of store credit. Cool, I thought. I placed the order, and nothing. Nothing. He might as well offered me 10x store credit, since he wasn't going to fulfill it anyway. It's been two months since that now, and still nothing.
I've filed Mail fraud charges online for this, as it is applicable since the mail was used during part of the transaction (me mailing him the money order). If you have an outstanding deal with Dave/Ram Controls and used the mail, please file mail fraud charges at: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/mailfraudcomplaint.aspx
I really hope that no one else gets taken by Dave. I can't imagine someone doing any deals with him, regardless of how much they want his products. It's not worth it.
Rick
shilmover:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on March 04, 2011, 09:48:37 pm ---I have a feeling that Dave was trying to stockpile cash in order to get large projects funded. However, this just isnt the correct way to do things... even if it was well intended.
Dave, unlike the SlickStick dude, seems to be very professional and knowledgeable. I wouldnt expect such a person so rip people off, as that could wreck their reputation, and cause them big trouble getting a nice paying job in the future.
I could be wrong...
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---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---! This is now criminal. To collect $ from people for an arcade cabinet that was never reproed and then tell them that they have shipped and that the shipping company went out of business?!? That's well intended? I know this first hand as I know 2 people personally that sent him over $2500 each and were told repeatedly that the cab was shipped. Heck, Dave told me on the phone that he shipped them!
--- Quote from: leapinlew on March 04, 2011, 10:03:56 pm ---Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.
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I will not chill out. What freaking difference does it make how manyu BYOAC members are affected? Go to the spreadsheet and take a look!
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on March 04, 2011, 10:03:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: shilmover on March 04, 2011, 09:34:26 pm ---Attitudes like yours really, really piss me off!
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Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.
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I think his statement is fair.
For my part, I see at least 6 BYOACers on the list and know of two more that had to chargeback on their credit cards. There are others who had money refunded by Dave and still others who haven't had their names added to the list.
Further, I think the calibre of the people on the list (and some who have charged back, but aren't on the list) speaks volumes. MAMErs may not know about some of the folks on that list, but I was shocked to see some CoinOp greats who don't post here and folks like Channel and RetroActive, who have been great contributors here and elsewhere ...
Chad and Mamemaster I could overlook, but Dave has gone too far ... Or is it not far enough ? :dizzy:
::)
Edit: rockinrick is one of those 6 members that I mention. You might not know him, but I have owed him an apology at least once before, so he definitely counts as a BYOACer! :cheers:
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