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Digital Pinball Disasters
Xiaou2:
Compare the Pictures below, side by side, for yourself, and you tell me if Digital Pinball is
up to Par...
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Well, since Dazz is pushing the digital pins, and states that the new tables are identical to the originals... lets do some comparisons, and start Skoolin their QC dept.
Dazz, when challenged, presented SFII table. Lets look at a real picture -vs- his re-draw, and see what happens when someone who has No clue, gets behind the wheel.
1) INSERTS:
Inserts look Awful. Flat. Lifeless. Cartoony. Why? Because theres no depth, no shadows, and no color interplay... all of which happens on a REAL insert.
Look at how there is a light shadow on the upper left corner of the real insert.
Look at the highlight on the upper right side.
Look at the shadows under the letters spelling "campion"
Look at the CORRECT line thickness of the insert+playfield outter circle.
Look at the feint diving line between insert and playfield. This is a reality.
Look at how much detail is missing in the phony inserts.
Look at how much it looks like a flat cartoon... and not beautiful and crystalline.
Look at all the color and shading missing.
2) Artistic Integrety
Look at the missing stippling on the dark blue of Bisons face. Instead of dots that make an
INTENDED rough shading look... they have decided to alter it to make it smooth instead.
Look at the Missing stipple (dots) on the hat front.
Look at the change of the hats skull and wings
Note changed in line widths and altered and missing details, such as on the ears.
Note the missing teeth details
Note that the shape of the hats middle black line isnt correctly "circular" as drawn on orig.
Note the missing black facial lines on the bottom, and the black thickness change on the lower
teeth.
3) COLORS
Look at the change of colors, from navy blue to POWDER BLUE. And Royal Red to Brick Red.
Note the difference in shades of the clouds. The change from light color to dark colors is a small jump in the original... and a huge leap on the modified version. They not only changed the colors... but used too great a leap in shade... making the colors too contrasted... and completely different than the original intended look.
You can also see this is the light and dark red on the hat. The color difference is too great on the mod.
Also, the white is way too bright on the mod... even for a brand new playfield.
Note the missing red under the eyes. (could possibly be a leak of the mask.. have to research it against other fields. This is standard practice with All pins, as poor mask alignment can reveal lost details/changes)
Ohh, but this is only the tip of a mighty iceburg of bungles.
Its a real tragedy that anyone would allow "classic" butchery... let alone make something this awful
and call it Good/Better.
A REAL Artist would EASILY understand what they were doing, and instead of cleaning up intended details.. would not have erased and changed them. Only an untrained fool would do something like this.
More to come...
Xiaou2:
Heres another one for you.
Here we see the classic use of Stippling (dot shading), on the Logo.
Yet what happened here? Ohh... well the guy who copied the art decided not to use Stippling, and instead changed the art to use a non textured, flat, boring, color grad.
Completely inaccurate. Complete Crap.
HanoiBoi:
Honey..tells the kids to stop playing the awesome, fantastically fun Digital Pinball Table. I hadn't realized until now that the artwork wasn't exact. I know, I know...all our guests pointed it out too, but I must have been blind. Let the kids know that this will be their last game. Now, I've got to find my axe and the closest landfill...
Xiaou2:
This has nothing to do with telling people to stop playing real pins -vs- digital pins.
It has to do with the poor quality standards of the Leaders, and the people behind the submissions.
Its not just that the art is a Little different. There are complete chosen alterations. You simply do Not alter a classic piece of history, just because YOU think it will be better that way. You simply dont have the right to do that to someone elses creations... nor to alter history.
The people doing the work of scanning and editing, need a level of artistic understanding.
They need to understand things like "Stippling" and "Cross Hatching" so that when they see this on a piece of artwork... they dont edit it out thinking it was a printing mistake or an artist error.
Obviously, nothing that has been done to date, has any form of quality control or standards.
And so what we get, are 20 versions of the same tables, that are all lacking in some way or another... that do not come close to portraying the actual machine visually.
Do you think this is right? Do you think this should continue this way?! Maybe you think Mame should settle for just getting "close-enough", rather than 100% accurate emulation?
Maybe you think Mame devs should alter the way an emulated game looks and plays, because THEY decided they liked it better?
Obviously, digital pinball is a complete chaotic mess, with no hope, until things start changing.
pinballwizard79:
Xiaou2
If we compare your MAME arcade hardware/controls or even the software/roms to the original arcades by the manufacturers I am sure the differences would be far greater than showing digital detail @ a 700% zoom on a high res PC monitor that a person cannot possibly discern on a 37"-46" TV thats several feet from their head.
Personally I think the new digital artwork is clean, bright & nice, hell I wish real pinball machines could look that damn good! I want real pins + a nice fatty LCD pin, thats where its at man. There is no perfect replacement for originals (not even reissues) but VP & MAME sure are damn awesome & a lot fun.
Just chill out.
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