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time to ask again... how is the job market or econamy to you?

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shmokes:

--- Quote from: garwil on February 21, 2011, 07:09:20 am ---. . . then saving up and traveling the world doing voluntary work.

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Hopefully you mean volunteer work.  I'd hate to see you travel the world by getting mixed up with the wrong end of the slave trade.   ;D





DaOld Man:

--- Quote from: Blanka on February 21, 2011, 07:34:11 am ---USA? Here cans are from iron. They say that tastes better and easier to recycle (magnets).

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Blanka, where are you? I havent seen a beer in a tin (iron, whatever) can since I was a kid (1960's maybe early 70's)

Aluminum is a lot easier to recycle than steel or iron. Almost 100% can be recycled.
Energy needed for recycling is a fraction of steel or iron.
We recycle our scrap and it goes right back into an ingot, which is rolled out into a thin sheet.

bleargh:
Job market and the economy are totally in the crapper as far as I'm concerned.

I've been a programmer for ~30yrs, and have never seen the market crap out as bad as this.  Historically its always been an "employees market" in my niche of the industry (Server/back-end programmers, Un*x/Linux deployment platform), but when the economy choked ~2-3yrs back it completely became an "employers market".

When it first crapped out I was working on a long term contract, and faced with the prospect of having it come to an end and having to compete against guys taking "10 cents on the dollar" just to have any job and put food on their table, I chose to convert my contract position to full-time.  Cost me a 40% cut in take-home pay (mostly due a change in my tax status as a FTE), putting me far below the water mark for our monthly finances.

Although the market has improved since then, I see it suffering from employers thinking they only have to pay their programmers "10 cents on the dollar"; they've gotten so used to the ultra-cheap wages they were able to force people into when times were rough, they're not interested in bringing people back to anywhere near the wages they had before the crash.

I keep looking, but haven't yet found anything tastier than where I'm at right now.  Thankfully, I like the guys on my team, so its not like work is "work"; its still quite fun.  Used to be more fun, though, when I didn't have to pull overtime or off-hours gigs in order to make ends meet.   :-[

Blanka:

--- Quote from: DaOld Man on February 21, 2011, 08:15:46 pm ---Blanka, where are you? I havent seen a beer in a tin (iron, whatever) can since I was a kid (1960's maybe early 70's)

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Well here in Holland they are plain 'ol steel. People don't want aluminium because of the taste. Guess Brussels want to convert us to aluminium, but without success. Don't know how other European countries do, mostly if we do something it's because the Germans do so, so lets open a topic for regional can materials used.

Regarding the job market, it is really good here. But our region is really on the high tech ups and downs, an when the largest integrated circuit lithography company (70% marketshare) is doing well (Apple, Intel, Samsung they all need them), all Eindhoven is doing well. Even our truck factory is doing great again. A few years ago the traffic jams were outward, in the direction of Utrecht and Amsterdam. Now they are inward.

Blanka:

--- Quote from: DaOld Man on February 21, 2011, 08:15:46 pm ---Aluminum is a lot easier to recycle than steel or iron. Almost 100% can be recycled.
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Technically yes, but practically no. I mean, how many of your cans are actually recycled? Here it is close to 100%, even if they are put in the general garbage bins. Putting cans in a landfill is not the best recycling.

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