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shmokes:

--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 14, 2011, 03:15:07 pm ---
That link is very interesting. What is the first word used?  Unauthorized.  You may have the right to use the device and modify it as you see fit to the physical device (add stickers etc) but you do not have the right to change the software. 


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LMAO.  I'm serious . . . are you fourteen years old?  Add stickers?  That link is talking about adding stickers?  It says:


--- Quote ---This article is about adverse issues experienced by customers who have made unauthorized modifications to the iOS (this hacking process is often called "jailbreaking")

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I don't think they're talking about stickers.  Also "unauthorized" means "unauthorized by Apple," not by the U.S. Government.  Violating the EULA means your warranty is void, not that you are guilty of criminal copyright violations.

ark_ader:
I think you are losing the plot.

I think you have also lost credibility.

The resorting to taunts, when I have asked repeatedly for you to come up with a legal representation, that if your client was up against such alligations, you could create a defense.

Then you go on a tangent about driving with your window down or using a wheelchair where vehicles are prohibited.  It is just nonsense.  We are discussing the jailbreak on iPads.  Please do not confuse the issue.

The add stickers refers to modding the physical device, not the software.  I cannot think why you would mod the iPad as it is perfect in its design.  If I had a suggestion to anyone with an iPad is to look into some type of rubber skin, I'm always frightened of dropping my friends iPad. 

What you do not have the right to is to circumvent the protection on the iPad.  Apple has deemed this unauthorized access, and breaks any warranty, not to mention any EULA you have.  The iPad is not a dead platform - like the Xbox1 (poor example), so the obsolete platforms ruling does not help, neither is it a telephone <sigh again> so we cannot say that the iPad is an iPhone.  I didn't see iPod listed anywhere either, so that argument is crud.


--- Quote ---Also "unauthorized" means "unauthorized by Apple," not by the U.S. Government.  Violating the EULA means your warranty is void, not that you are guilty of criminal copyright violations.
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I think I touched on that before - I am sure you just skim my posts.  I was referring to DMCA as the said ruling that opens up the door for iPhone Jailbreaks, has no wording to include any other IOS devices like the iPad or The AppleTV or the iPod.  People read what they want to believe.  Journalists promote this and sell newspapers or get revenue streams via content. If it doesn't come from a credible source I discount it.  There are so many pages saying the same thing as it is the same article, same wording, everything, repeated.  If you have to circumvent the OS to put said app without Apple's permission then you are in DMCA shark infested waters.

If you are saying that you were given the wrong impression and you made a mistake - that would be better than you trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Your authorizing comment above is not exactly true is it?  Say you wanted to Jailbreak your iPad so you can download an app like XBMC.  XBMC is really cool, and should be available to everyone, but Apple says you cannot have it on their App Store because it has security issues with your carrier's servers (hypothetical).  Something like that happens and your iPad is tracked to you causing an outage - which world of hurt would you be in if caught?  Its the ethical argument I am having with you.  Something you have not heeded or acknowledged.

All these responses by you, and not one with any references to back you up.  Just your opinion of what you think is right.

What I have learned during this tirade is Ethical Practice for lawyers >>> >>link >>

Very interesting reading.


--- Quote ---There are links all over the web, on mainstream U.S. hosted websites, to software that is overtly advertised as iPad/iPod jailbreaking software.  How do you suppose this can be?
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 :banghead:


--- Quote ---And lawmakers generally don't write airtight laws that account for everything they're meant to on their face, both because lawmakers don't typically have perfect language skills and because they simply can't think of everything.
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The lawmakers just write laws that prohibit actions detremental to moral implications.  Something I am trying to impress on you.



--- Quote ---THe point about "carriers authorizing it" is about you trying to hook up a phone to a network without paying for it.  In other words, you can't jailbreak a phone for the purpose of using a cell phone carriers network without the cell phone carrier giving you permission.
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Obviously we have not read the same paragraph.  Like I said before - we read what we want to see.  The paragraph regarding authorization of the carrier - is for the circumventing of the phone protection (unlocking) to use on another carrier, if the carrier authorizes such behaviour.  I do not believe any iPhone carrier would be in the position to authorize anything without Apples' permission or contract obligations.  Its legal for you to sell the software to do the circumvention.  I know that you can unlock phones, the mechanics escape me.  I used to work for a major Mobile Telecom.  The Telecom had to bind the phone to the network, so getting the phone to work on a provider would be  very easy.  You just replace the Simm.  Plenty of simms that work on locked phones, especially international ones.

Nice to see Apple closing that door with its new Smaller iPhone.

polaris:
ethical practice for lawyers, thats hilarious in itself.
good luck at the pearly gates shmokes, looks like gods disciple has judged you and youre going down :laugh2:

shmokes:

--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 14, 2011, 07:02:49 pm ---
I know that you can unlock phones, the mechanics escape me. 


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All phones have a keyhole on them.  Unlocking requires putting the correct skeleton key in the keyhole and turning.  God knows you don't have to alter any software to unlock the phone.

p.s. You can't switch carriers by simply changing the sim card.  An AT&T phone will not accept a T-Mobile or Orange sim card unless the phone is unlocked first.

p.p.s.   :laugh2:

ark_ader:

--- Quote ---p.s. You can't switch carriers by simply changing the sim card.  An AT&T phone will not accept a T-Mobile or Orange sim card unless the phone is unlocked first.


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I didn't imply that.  Yet I can use an authorized (you don't know what that word means do you?) international sim instead of paying my provider international rates.  If you cannot do that in the US - well you can in the UK.

It appears that we cannot resolve this iPad ethical discussion in the formal way like adults do.  I have tried to provide examples of my argument to you in laymans terms, yet all you do is try to change the subject.

So I will defer to a higher power.  I am sure they will concur with your opinions.

If I am wrong about the jailbreak and the iPad I will apologise. 

If I am correct, then we can look at this hypothetical issue again with the knowledge gained.   :)

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