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ChadTower:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on February 03, 2011, 02:39:36 pm ---Sounds like a real mickey mouse operation offering those credentials. Good to know next time I'm evaluating a resume.
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In my experience most certification outfits are like that. I have hired way too many guys with a handful of certifications that don't know a damn thing outside of exactly what may have been on whatever exam they took. No ability to understand the concepts and apply them outside of their specific training. Usually no desire to try, either, which is why they have those certs rather than a degree or real world experience.
shmokes:
The document would be forged even if I did know my serial number. Even if that were not the case, CompTIA says they have no record of me taking the exam and they are the certifying authority. The fact that they're wrong may give me a cause of action against them, but it doesn't give me the legal right to create my own certificate. I'm quite sure the ABA would see it this way. And everyone else (like the French consulate) would assume that I was just lying about my qualifications.
ahofle:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 03, 2011, 03:56:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: pinballjim on February 03, 2011, 02:39:36 pm ---Sounds like a real mickey mouse operation offering those credentials. Good to know next time I'm evaluating a resume.
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In my experience most certification outfits are like that. I have hired way too many guys with a handful of certifications that don't know a damn thing outside of exactly what may have been on whatever exam they took. No ability to understand the concepts and apply them outside of their specific training. Usually no desire to try, either, which is why they have those certs rather than a degree or real world experience.
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+1
I wouldn't have wasted time on this 'certification' if it weren't being forced on us by our customer.
I have found a good way to identify those clueless individuals you mentioned...they are usually the ones that put their CompTIA certifications in their email signatures. :laugh2:
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: ChadTower on February 03, 2011, 03:56:16 pm ---In my experience most certification outfits are like that. I have hired way too many guys with a handful of certifications that don't know a damn thing outside of exactly what may have been on whatever exam they took. No ability to understand the concepts and apply them outside of their specific training. Usually no desire to try, either, which is why they have those certs rather than a degree or real world experience.
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Thats just sad Chad. I love it when I get someone with a certification or two. It pretty much gives me all the information I need to effectively interview them. They are giving you their skill set on a silver platter and you can't figure out what they know? Sounds to me like you shouldn't be in charge of hiring anyone. I have hired some great employees who all had different methods of gaining their tech skill. If someone says they are Windows 2003 certified, I know they should have a solid grasp on AD, TCP/IP, Groups, Permissions etc. I can ask them very specific questions to see if they understand the concepts.
While I agree that there are plenty of green individuals with only IT certs. There are also plenty of green people with degrees and fresh from the military. I respect degrees, certifications and military experience, but I don't know what experiences a person derived from their education until I meet with them. If someone slacks their way through college, they won't be any better than someone who studied for an exam. In many ways a self taught certified person has more drive and desire than someone with a degree.
ChadTower:
--- Quote from: leapinlew on February 03, 2011, 08:58:07 pm ---They are giving you their skill set on a silver platter and you can't figure out what they know? Sounds to me like you shouldn't be in charge of hiring anyone.
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Sadly, it's not always that simple. Because of existing service contracts I have to "hire" people from specific contract firms. These firms are in India. It's common to interview an individual by telephone. That makes it harder. Many of these firms hand out certificates like napkins. I also strongly suspect that it's common to interview one person and an entirely different person arrives from India two weeks later. That is as much systemic as an issue with certifications, I know.
My experience hiring local people with certificates isn't that they do not know what they are supposed to know. It's that they don't understand what they are supposed to know. They can do exactly what they were taught in that class - by rote process. They usually cannot take knowledge gained from that and apply it to similar situations or extrapolate it themselves to more advanced situations. I have been told more than once something like "I am certified in X, not Y, so I can't do that" even when Y is really the same thing as X but a slightly different flavor.
Also, drives me insane when someone says "sorry, not my thing" rather than "don't know that, give me a couple extra days to study it and I'll figure it out". Personal issue. I guess what I'm saying is that the guy with a degree is trained in the concepts, not the technology, and conceptual knowledge is better. I have never seen someone fresh out of the military, no matter how green, say anything other than "I'll find a way to get it done". Nine times out of ten they do and on that tenth time they will let you know early in the process what else they need.
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