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Vertical Retrace - Almost Done!!!!
« on: January 23, 2011, 11:44:49 pm »
I've been working on a new project. It's a vertical cabinet that formerly had Heavy Barrel in it, and seeing how Heavy Barrel was typically in kit form and the cabinet has a curved marquee, it was probably a Bad Dudes before that.

Here is a definition I found for the word Retrace:
   trace: to go back over again; "we retraced the route we took last summer"; "trace your path"
   reconstruct: reassemble mentally; "reconstruct the events of 20 years ago"

and of course the word vertical also describes the fact that its a vertical monitor.

(and yes, I know the term Vertical Retrace also refers to the the vertical blanking taking place in a monitor while the beam is moved from the lower right, to the upper left of the screen)

This cabinet will be fairly simple with basic controls. I am going for a retro look but not overdone.

I will soon post some renderings and other pics.
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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 12:21:29 am »
Here are some basic renderings of the finished cab.



Here's a bit more close up of the cp. I'm not dead set on where the spinner will be just yet.
I'm not completely crazy about the control panel setup but I am limited to what it is currently drilled for. maybe I make another one down the road.

the middle button on the panel above the coin door is for pause. I will be using the other 2 for exit and maybe reset or something. (with pause as the shift)

The coin reject buttons will be wired for credits and the coin switches also still work.

The bezel on these renderings is just a temp in order to have something there.
The Gyruss screen, on the other hand, will very much be up on the machine very often.

I don't think these renderings really do justice to the lines of these Data East cabinets, they look better in person.
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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 12:31:58 am »
Some basic equipment info:

Joysticks: Sanwa JLWs with white mesh balls
Buttons: GGG Electric Ice 2
Spinner: GGG Turbo Twist 2
Monitor: 25" WG u2000 ( I know its a problem monitor but it was free and I'm making needed repairs )
Lighting: RGB LEDs and LED Wiz
Input: IPAC

Everything above, I already have.
This week I am ordering white T-molding (13/16") and a video amp for the monitor.


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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 12:35:21 am »
Here are some more pics:

The marquee


And here is the cpo


Later I will post some pics of the actual cab in the process of being stripped for laminating and how it looks after the laminating.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 04:04:26 am »
Looking Ace! :applaud:

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 09:15:45 am »
Sharp looking renders.   Looking forward to seeing you cab construction.  :D

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 12:28:52 pm »
Here's a front shot of the cabinet before any work was done (except old monitor mount is taken apart).

There's a good size hole under that metal plate. I hate to use Bondo in my basement, but I will fill it before the front gets laminated.

I had to strip off the old gray vinyl...


and now the cabinet is stripped and ready for laminate


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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet- Laminating
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 12:49:00 pm »
I was a bit nervous about laminating...
  Will it be easy enough? Will it look good? (I may have been scarred by the many black and white marble top cabinets that I saw in the late 90s)

I gotta say, I couldn't be happier with it.
I've got the sides done and I still have to do the front after I repair the hole.

I used Formica brand laminate that I ordered from Lowes and I used 3M 30NF waterbased contact Cement.
The 3M contact cement was a lot more expensive than others ($34/qt) but I read some bad reviews on other brands and I really had to use waterbased inside the house.

Heres the cabinet all glued (1st coat) on one side..


I used the glue that turns green when its ready, but it actually goes on as a blue green so I didn't see a huge benefit in this feature.

well I found the laminating to be pretty easy and I love the ending result..



I don't think I will ever paint a cabinet again.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 01:46:38 pm »
I have been debating on whether I should use laminate on my project. That looks great!  :applaud:

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 02:22:09 pm »
Awesome. Any vert cab get's extra love from me.
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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 04:47:28 pm »
looking good.. one vert cab owner to another..     even if mine was out of pure necessity.  ie.. only way i could get the flat screen to fit :D

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 07:36:31 pm »
Thanks everyone,
 theres just something I about a vertical monitor. I do however plan on still having some horizontal games too (modified).
I was at an arcade this weekend that had a couple of vertical machines with 25" monitors, man they looked good.

Hey Nephasth, You should definately go for the laminate. It gives a very clean finish.

Emphatic,
Thanks for helping with a crucial decision. I was teetering on whether to use white or black t-molding. I looked at you cabinet and decided that the white definately looks cool.
I was gonna use chrome t-molding but being mylar tape over plastic, it damages real easy.

Does it look weird having the logo on both the marquee and control panel (though I know alot of real arcade games do).

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 08:08:21 pm »
Does it look weird having the logo on both the marquee and control panel (though I know alot of real arcade games do).

In most cases it should be avoided, but in your case it looks great, as it's not on the button/sticks surface. Glad my old build could be of help.  :afro:

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2011, 09:35:52 pm »
Today I got my video amp from Ultimarc.
man it's been a few years since I've ordered from there, I didn't remember the shipping being so fast. very nice.
I've got my t-molding (13/16" white) on order.

I've got the control panel all stripped and ready to be sprayed before I order the cpo from GameonGrafix.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2011, 09:54:31 pm »
i really like how the sides came out so much cleaner than paint from the view of the pictures.  im a fan of 3m products good quality.  i also like the idea of it telling me when its ready to use by changing color.  i think ill try this  paneling stuff in black for my sis cab.  depends on price tho.  paint sure is cheaper.. but the results are so nice.   guess will depend on side art. 

thanks for sharing.  i need to start thinking about my next build.. as i start in 2 months.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2011, 12:21:42 pm »
I am very happy with the laminate. I could never get paint really looking as good as I would like.
Laminate is definately not the cheapest route. I paid $85 for a 4'x12' sheet at Lowes (has to be ordered).
and the laminate glue is expensive.

I don't feel that the color changing deal with the glue was a huge benefit. It normally sets in about a half hour and then you've got 4 hours to apply to the 2 surfaces together.
The glue did cover well though. One quart was enough to doo both sides, 2 coats each and I still have enough in that quart that I may be able to get the front done too.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2011, 12:22:33 am »
I haven't gotten a whole bunch done.. I've been busy
today I had to shovel my roof because there has been so much snow and we're getting more this week.
Plus I had to go work on a customers Frogger (gotta support the habit).

Any way I am making some slow progress.
I got my video amp from Ultimarc (very fast) and I got my t-molding from t-molding.com (really really fast because I live in the same state).


I started out to stripping the coin door and control panel.
I think I will order my overlay this week, I'm just not sure if I'm done with it  ???

Heres the control panel


Here it is stripped


I will be spraying it black before applying an overlay.


I finally got around to making some room in my basement today and getting my computer all set up so I can start loading Mala and getting everything all set.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 12:13:02 pm »
I love metal for a control panel, even if it gets covered by art. Are you going to angle the joysticks like they are on that CP or are you mounting them straight on?

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 03:57:55 pm »
The joysticks will be mounted straight on. I will not be able to use the existing mouning studs and will have to drill and use carriage bolts  :-\

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2011, 09:22:31 pm »
The joysticks will be mounted straight on. I will not be able to use the existing mouning studs and will have to drill and use carriage bolts  :-\

If you live on Vancouver island, I'll weld on some nuts for you!

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2011, 09:59:11 pm »
Now there's an offer you cant refuse!

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 12:50:58 am »
If you live on Vancouver island, I'll weld on some nuts for you!

Thanks for the offer but I'm a little ways from there. I'm in Connecticut, US

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2011, 12:39:17 am »
I think I'm gonna make a small change.
I have been running some tests and tweaks using my 27" betson multisync (which currently is not in a cab).
I really like it a lot better than the u2000. It was a little bit of a stretch to get the 25" to fit this cabinet but now I'm thinking of cramming the 27" in instead.
With a tweak to the speaker panel, I think it'll work.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2011, 01:23:14 am »
27" vert? That sounds awesome, for Raiden alone.

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2011, 05:01:30 am »
27" vert? That sounds awesome, for Raiden alone.

Nice choice. I have 29" in both mine cabinets (vertical 99% of the time). But for old school shmups such as Twin Cobra I actually prefer a 19" or a 20" monitor. But I only play CAVE shmups where a large screen is of much higher importance.

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« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2011, 05:30:20 pm »
I will have it so that the actual game screens will not fully fill the screen. I also have seen where other guys have run some horizontal games on a lrager vertical screen so I'm hoping to do that also (with modified resolutions of course)

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2011, 10:07:06 pm »
Man, progress has been slow because of.....life.
a few weeks ago I made the decision to use my 27" betson Multisync instead of a troublesome u2000 25".

I got lucky on the fit. It just fit.


Of course it doesn't fit in the rear.

But the 25" stuck out the back too. I've got that covered where I'll be bump out the back sort of like on the back of a cruisin cab (only smaller)

Heres a quick shot of Donkey Kong on the screen


Hopefully progress will go faster. I need to finish getting everything set for this monitor and the I've got to finish the front and the wheels on the bottom.
Then I can get it upstairs and I can do the wiring and tweaking

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Re: Vertical Retrace - A classic vertical Mame cabinet
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2011, 10:39:08 pm »
Is that water on the floor?

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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2011, 10:52:38 pm »
Yeah unfortunately but its far from my cabinet.
I can't wait to get this thing upstairs.

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« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2011, 10:55:04 pm »
that monitor looks awesome. keep it up. We need more verts.
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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2011, 11:37:03 am »
Yeah, thats gonna provide hours of entertainment.  :P I just noticed that you're putting the machine name on the face of the control panel as well as the marquee. I'm planning on doing this too. Cant wait to see your graphics installed!

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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2011, 11:40:31 am »
I was just looking at your renders, they are really nice, especially the way you get to see how your graphics will look installed. Is that sketch-up that you used? any tips you can give me on ramping up to using it quickly for doing a cab mock-up? Im pretty sharp with that kind of thing, I just hate reading manuals.. >:D

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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2011, 04:50:37 pm »
Thanks Vanilla,
 yes I did use Sketchup for those renders. I'm not sure what tips I could give. I basically just downloaded sketchup about a week or two before posting those renders.
I have seen alot guys on here use it and I thought "thats neat" but I wasn't all that interested. finally one night I downloaded it and I love it.
For what I did, it wasn't too hard because I was able to find a Bad Dudes cabinet already done on google 3dwarehouse and then I made modifications to suit my plans.

I definately would advice you to download it and mess with it. As far as components like joysticks and buttons go, there are a bunch on 3dwarehouse for download.
For me, I think sketchup really gave me that extra inspiration for my project because I was able to get a better view of how it will look.

Now I just gotta get off butt and get this thing done. A few more messy tasks than its coming upstairs where it'll get wired and then let the software tweaking continue.

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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2011, 11:31:45 am »
After this one are you going to finish up that other one on the background?

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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2011, 09:51:16 pm »
Some day I'll get 'em all done.
I gotta finish the Atari system 1 with paint and a few odds and ends, the Robocop is empty and the I've scrapped the other project for now.

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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2011, 09:30:53 pm »
I've been making some slow progress. I just got back from vacation and have vowed to fast track this project (somewhat).
I've got some paid arcade work coming up so I can afford to get the artwork done and some odds and ends such as the Sanwa Meshballs ($12 each, jeesh).
I knew that I needed to do something to fix the art work and I finally reworked it to how I like it, it just needs soem kinda finishing touch but I'm not sure what.....
Any ideas?

Unfortunately I made a huge mistake and resized my artwork on accident and now I need to rework the old one (correct size) again to get it where I'm happy
attached is the reworked cpo. Please give me feedback on what would be a good finishing touch.

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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2011, 03:14:34 am »

Hey, where in CT are you?

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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2011, 04:16:51 am »
Please give me feedback on what would be a good finishing touch.

Maybe a low transparency face of shodan central in the circuit?


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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2011, 09:48:38 am »
Hey Delusional, I'm in the New Haven Area.

Jimmy, thanks for the input on finishing touches, nice idea but I think I've finally got the Cpo where I want it. I've just gotta work out some surround compasses for the joysticks now and finalize my work.
I completely changed around the cp layout for a decent 2 player layout and trackball.
Each player has 4 buttons in a diamond configuration. I know there's less than a lot of love for the diamond configuration, but I tested it out and I find it real comfortable.
Really the only games my wife and kids seem to enjoy on the arcade are the King of Fightere series, so I need my 4 player buttons. This weekend, I will hopefully post pics of the cpo art.

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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2011, 12:51:24 pm »
I finally got my cpo finished and I'm sending both the cpo and marquee over to Gameongrafix for printing. I test printed the cpo and it fits great.

heres the cpo with buttons overlayed


please tell me what you think. I may get some hating on the diamond pattern but I find it real comfortable.
thanks
« Last Edit: August 15, 2011, 12:53:06 pm by mgb »

  
 

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