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I might have found a way to gear my career to playing video games!
shateredsoul:
Yeah during my undergrad all of the "hard sciences" where no hold barred like that. And it was super competitive, Students wouldn't even lend each other notes or want to help other students.
My adviser's daughter actually was part of this pretty cool thing. They started an all womens engineering group and pretty much taught themselves how to program. Actually, 1 knew how to do it, and the rest had degrees in all sorts of careers. They started a company, but now they're spread out with different types of jobs. My adviser's daughter now works at Apple.
I know another guy who just got hired by apple too, he dropped out of college to work full time at some company as a programmer before that.
SavannahLion:
Regarding PBJs comment.
Be careful with the community colleges though. They tend to "suggest" a lot of crap classes you don't really need. Or worse, "suggest" you take classes you have no hope of passing. My CC counselor did exactly that, encourage me to take 2 classes I had no hope of passing. The first class I failed miserably and it would take two full semesters to repair the damage to my HOW. The second time I knew the ---smurf--- tricked me again within three days and bailed out.
Based what I've heard from current students this trend is worse because of the economy. Some are .literally sucking students for oodles of cash.
Always do the research on whatever anyone suggests to you. Nothing sucks worse than wasting time and money and a useless class.
shateredsoul:
--- Quote from: SavannahLion on December 16, 2010, 08:01:26 pm ---Regarding PBJs comment.
Be careful with the community colleges though. They tend to "suggest" a lot of crap classes you don't really need. Or worse, "suggest" you take classes you have no hope of passing. My CC counselor did exactly that, encourage me to take 2 classes I had no hope of passing. The first class I failed miserably and it would take two full semesters to repair the damage to my HOW. The second time I knew the ---smurf--- tricked me again within three days and bailed out.
Based what I've heard from current students this trend is worse because of the economy. Some are .literally sucking students for oodles of cash.
Always do the research on whatever anyone suggests to you. Nothing sucks worse than wasting time and money and a useless class.
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man, I was hoping it would be affordable. I remember community college being 11 bucks per unit, probably not anymore huh? Do you know how professors feel about students sitting in their class? Is that a common practice at community colleges? or do they see that as a bother to them? I wouldn't expect her/him to grade my stuff so it wouldn't be extra work for them.
Vanguard:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 16, 2010, 05:32:22 pm ---I'd say two things that particular school (Texas A&M) did wrong was lump computer science in with engineering and make the students take a great deal of unnecessary math courses.
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This is exactly why so many of our jobs go to India and China. Those math courses aren't unnecessary. Sure they're unnecessary if you want to design web pages. They aren't unnecessary for a large range of Computer Science related jobs. In Computer Science fields, knowing how to program is like knowing how to strip a wire for an electrician. It's like the most basic skill you will need. There are SO many other skills you will need in order to be useful in the field you choose to go into.
Depending on what area you want to go into, Math is like the #2 skill you need. It will take you very far and the more you know the further it will take you. Many Computer Science jobs will not be accessible to you if you're a great programmer with no math background. Games being one of them. A 3D engine and the tools needed to develop them are littered with advanced math. While we American's run away from college math, students in India and China are taking these courses before college.
We are outsourcing $150,000+ jobs in this country not because it's cheaper to hire in India and China, we are doing it because we can't hire people here. We've been trying to build a team for 2 years and have managed to hire about 10 people. Those people all came from our competitors. Students today are too short sighted. They want a quick degree with little effort and the hopes of big rewards. They are selling themselves short. The big rewards go to those who have the skills that require some work to attain.
If you graduate from a community college with a programming degree and little other marketable skills, you're not going to get hired by Apple, Microsoft, Google, Intel, AMD, Broadcomm, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments, EA, or any of the hundreds of high tech, high paying companies out there. You're going to get hired by companies that can't attract people with high salaries or cool work.
AtomSmasher:
Agreed, math has been essential to all of the programming jobs I've had. In my current job I wish I remembered a lot more of the math and physics that I learned in college because I'm forced to learn a lot of it all over again.
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