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Haze:
you're just making yourself look like more of a **** with the blacked out text you know.
doesn't make you look clever and helps invalidate everything you've said.
ark_ader:
I am just giving the people on the message board the option to read my view (which seems to be incredibly offensive to several of the people on this thread).
Clever no. Not clever at all, just a better choice than the ignore button. A shame really. Your choice if you want to read it, or not.
Heck I might just post this way from now on, considering how clueless I am...
I do really mean what I posted before, regardless.
Have a nice day.
Haze:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on January 18, 2011, 11:43:41 am ---
--- Quote from: Haze on January 18, 2011, 11:22:08 am ---you're just making yourself look like more of a **** with the blacked out text you know.
doesn't make you look clever and helps invalidate everything you've said.
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Insulting someone and not addressing any of their concerns doesn't make you look clever, either.
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I've spent the entire thread addressing peoples concerns. He's just resorted to childish bull and making things up again. Saint must have the tolerance of .. a saint ...
Anyway, I hope people who have read this, aside the 4 trolls, understand why MAME is the way it is, what's important, and where the project goals are.
The minority of people like this is why as a whole the dev team tend to say a big f-you to the community, and most of them don't bother to post or explain at all which is why you just end up thinking they're elitist idiots. I've simply been trying to help explain things because I feel it's important for the project to survive. Most devs act as they do, because they're left with little choice unless they want to put up with this kind of BS, you saw how quickly you drove Derrek off who again, only came to explain things and provide accurate technical information and reasoning, for no benefit to himself.
I'm not being paid to post here, I have nothing personally to gain from it. I simply wanted to help spread the understanding of decisions made by MAME, and help people understand the areas in which we're looking for people to help. It's very easy to see why most devs simply don't bother with public discussion. I wanted to break this cycle, but it seems certain posters here are determined to keep it intact. Next time you try to paint the dev team as some elitist bunch of nerds, just remember, the said posters are half the reason for it appearing that way.
Vigo:
--- Quote from: Haze on January 18, 2011, 11:59:24 am ---
--- Quote from: pinballjim on January 18, 2011, 11:43:41 am ---
--- Quote from: Haze on January 18, 2011, 11:22:08 am ---you're just making yourself look like more of a **** with the blacked out text you know.
doesn't make you look clever and helps invalidate everything you've said.
--- End quote ---
Insulting someone and not addressing any of their concerns doesn't make you look clever, either.
--- End quote ---
I've spent the entire thread addressing peoples concerns. He's just resorted to childish bull again. Saint must have the tolerance of .. a saint ...
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In my honest opinion, you have been arguing concerns, not addressing them. :dunno
In Ark's blacked out message, I thought he was actually pretty sincere in his advice. He made the same point that I have been making all along, when people come in with criticism, it is beneficial to use this as a positive. Telling them reason X, Y and Z of why it's not gonna happen and will never happen will only turn this into a 13 page, flame n' rant riddled thread. Instead give them ways of how it can happen and see if you can use it to recuit some help making it happen. Yeah, you might not find anyone willing to make it happen, but at least there is no flaming involved.
Haze:
--- Quote from: Vigo on January 18, 2011, 12:20:49 pm ---I've spent the entire thread addressing peoples concerns. He's just resorted to childish bull again. Saint must have the tolerance of .. a saint ...
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Well I've been addressing them in the sense of explaining them. Dealing with the concerns. Maybe it would be fairer to say I've been addressing the community.
The concerns have no real solution within the aims of the project tho, so nothing more can be done, so that is the reply given. I can't offer a solution if there is no solution to offer.
The opposite of addressing them would be to simply ignore everything that is posted, without giving a reason. That just leads to people not understanding why things have been done tho. I prefer people to be educated. At least by explaining why decisions have been made as they have their concerns might become less when they see that the choices made were correct, just not specifically beneficial to them.
Criticism is made, and taken on board, it can't be acted on often because it's based on unsound logic. However, I've stated elsewhere that I think some of the points made are very good ones, MAME does need to start supporting multi-channel sound, it seems silly not to, especially when it's had multi-monitor, multi-mouse and multi-keyboard support for years now. The practicalities of it are more difficult tho. People seem quick to ignore the times I've actually agreed, and would rather focus on continually hammering home a point they've been given countless reasons why is impractical. Likewise just because I agree with something doesn't mean I'm going to leap on my chair and do it.