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kagaden:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 17, 2011, 04:02:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: Haze on January 17, 2011, 03:55:38 pm ---Derrek is right, there is no hope here.  Somebody so far distanced from the truth is just a lost cause.

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Nothing could be further from the truth (this is the place where I think there is the most hope -- there is a reasonable balance of fanboys, real collectors and lunatics; the moderation is appropriate and 99% of people share the same final goal), but with the loudmouths, it may hard to see that.

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I can understand Haze's feelings here, but I think he meant just for this one dude.

It's a lot like being a community representative/manager for a game company. You can have tons and tons of silent fans that love your product that you're also passionate about, but there's that couple of people who are really loud and annoying and no matter how much you try to explain and reason with them they're only there to troll their own opinion recursively. The danger though is that your own views become bitter and angry towards the community in general since... for the most part it's a faceless mass and you can't immediately distinguish people who admire the work from the trolls. Not like they can distinguish and target you as being the spokesperson. It's easy to get crushed by the community. Being that Haze has been doing this so long though, I'm confident he's aware of the psychological traps of handling the community.
CheffoJeffo:
May very well be true.

My hope is that Haze and Derrick won't give up on posting here because i really do believe it is a great place to have discussions like this, even when they degenerate.
BadMouth:
Most of this thread reminds me of the Monty Python skit where you pay for a good argument and all you get is simple contradiction of everything you say.
SavannahLion:

--- Quote from: Haze on January 17, 2011, 04:12:00 pm ---I recognize that a lot of people do understand what is being said.

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Or try.....
Vigo:

--- Quote from: Rick on January 17, 2011, 04:09:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on January 17, 2011, 03:24:06 pm ---Read and learn.  There are two sides to every coin.
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If you were attempting a compliment, the "just" in your sentence belies a different meaning altogether.  If this was your intention, then yes, I believe most developers would agree that they would examine the past works of others, to attempt to build on their own success.  It's a smart way.  Who wouldn't do that?  Use what works, improve on it in your own way, and inject your own independent thought and ideas wherever you can.

Unfortunately, without looking past the "just", it reads as a sleight.

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I (surprisingly) read enough litarature to see it as ark paying a compliment. "Standing on the sholders of Giants" is not a phrase really used in a negative light. I think he said "just" to mean "simply" instead of "only".  ;)

I think his post editing comment was in a polite tone as well. A habit of editing is just generally frowned upon because you will have people read and comment on your original post and it might not be so relevent after an edit goes through. If I need to, I always try to say why I needed to edit at the end of the post so nobody feels like I am changing things around after the fact. I reread every longer post I make just in case as well.  :)

I think things are a little too jumpy here so there is too much reading into every little comment.  :lol
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